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Old 02-06-17, 05:59 PM
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Reminder: Sometimes "those" drivers have machetes

Easy to get aggressive, just don't. In My Fair City, a dad and expressed his ire to a driver over a traffic infraction...and got a bit more of a reaction than he and his son expected.


Woman arrested for terroristic threats after pulling out knife | 911 News | journalstar.com

Originally Posted by Woman arrested for terroristic threats after pulling out knife


A Lincoln woman was arrested Friday afternoon after police say she threatened a man and his son with a knife.

The man, 43, was riding bikes with his son near 31st and D streets when Crystal Fleming, 33, ran a stop sign, police said

The man slapped at Fleming’s Dodge Avenger as it passed. Police said Fleming then stopped her car, got out and pulled a 12-inch survival-style knife on the man and boy.

Police said a witness attempted to diffuse the situation before Fleming got back into her car and left.

Officers later found her vehicle in the 3100 block of E Street. Fleming was arrested on suspicion of making terroristic threats and use of a weapon to commit a felony. As of Saturday night, she remained in jail..
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And how does another motorist (commenter) think?
Sarah Leggs
And the bicyclist should not have slapped at her car either.....that also lacks respect and common decency. I have encountered so many rude bicyclists that wont even move over for an oncoming car.....ya know what? They are going to lose!
Maybe Sarah should learn that if the cyclist can reach out and slap your car, then Sarah is passing the cyclist way too close.
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Originally Posted by Marcus_Ti View Post
Easy to get aggressive, just don't. In My Fair City, a dad and expressed his ire to a driver over a traffic infraction...and got a bit more of a reaction than he and his son expected.
Worked out in the end. The motorist is in jail.
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"Terroristic threats"? Seriously?
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Old 02-07-17, 08:55 AM
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Originally Posted by asmac View Post
"Terroristic threats"? Seriously?
It's gotten to the point where it's not even reported....

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Old 02-07-17, 09:23 AM
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Originally Posted by mr_bill View Post
It's gotten to the point where it's not even reported....

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Old 02-07-17, 09:29 AM
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Anyhow, a knife with a 6" blade is not a machete.

Some would say that's not a knife.

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Whenever I encounter a motorist behaving aggressively, like that. I certainly won't slap the person's vehicle.
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Originally Posted by Chris0516 View Post
Whenever I encounter a motorist behaving aggressively, like that. I certainly won't slap the person's vehicle.
Just depends; if I can see the window is up, I'm not going to risk hurting my hand.
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Originally Posted by Chris0516 View Post
Whenever I encounter a motorist behaving aggressively, like that. I certainly won't slap the person's vehicle.
Agreed. I'm not so concerned that they might have a knife (or machete), but that vehicle they are driving makes a pretty effective weapon. I'm not opposed to confronting someone if the situation warrants it, but mostly I do my best to avoid direct conflict.

I'll certainly report any aggression or attempted assaults, but fortunately that's incredibly rare in my city.
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In Dallas, on a local walk/bike path, about 2-3 years ago, a deranged former high school football player attacked a runner on that path and cut his head off with a machete. I'm glad I was not biking that fateful morning. His wife some weeks later committed suicide due to the grief. Sad story.
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Originally Posted by asmac View Post
"Terroristic threats"? Seriously?
That's what it used to be called in my state until a number of years ago it was changed to "criminal threat." I think the term "criminal threat" covers a bit more than just one person terrorizing another.

But basically, criminal threat would be something like telling another person that you're going to kill them and making them have reasonable belief that you will carry it out. Telling someone that while holding a 12" knife gives someone a reasonable fear. Telling them that while holding a banana doesn't.
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Originally Posted by mr_bill View Post
Anyhow, a knife with a 6" blade is not a machete.

Some would say that's not a knife.

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That's not a knoife. That's a knoife.
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Originally Posted by Chris0516 View Post
Whenever I encounter a motorist behaving aggressively, like that. I certainly won't slap the person's vehicle.
I'd say that myself, but I've done it twice and it was sort of an unconscious defensive reaction both times.

Once I was crossing the street in the crosswalk (with the light), and some kids zoomed past me way too close in a souped up Honda, just behind me. I actually didn't make contact with the car, but I swiped backward towards it. They got out and chased me down the block, I told them to get the hell out of my neighborhood. They talked tough but didn't do anything.

Another time I was biking along and a car quickly started pulling out of a space to my right. I slapped the fender hard instinctively and he hit the brakes. He didn't follow me or do anything afterward.

I guess I wouldn't do it if I had the time to think about it, but I didn't, it was just a reaction.
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Originally Posted by Milton Keynes View Post
That's what it used to be called in my state until a number of years ago it was changed to "criminal threat." I think the term "criminal threat" covers a bit more than just one person terrorizing another.

Interesting. Maybe the word "terroristic" has morphed in meaning. Our similar offences are "uttering threats" or "threatening death with a weapon".
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What do you mean by "those drivers?"
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Originally Posted by asmac View Post
"Terroristic threats"? Seriously?
Yes, either a misquote or serious charge inflation. This isn't terrorism in any form, it's simple ADW.
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Originally Posted by FBinNY View Post
Yes, either a misquote or serious charge inflation. This isn't terrorism in any form, it's simple ADW.
Wow, the "experts" here in A&S never fail to impress me.

So, from the several words in the article, how did you come to this conclusion? I am guessing here, but you also clearly feel that State v. Winkler was in error. How?

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Originally Posted by mr_bill View Post
Wow, the "experts" here in A&S never fail to impress me.

So, from the several words in the article, how did you come to this conclusion?
The "terroristic threat" laws were mostly passed after 9/11 and intended to cover terrorism or the threats thereof, ie. phoning in a bomb threat at a school.

Simple person to person, or face to face threats of individual violence were traditionally described as assault or assault with a deadly weapon (ADW).

Of course prosecutors can apply the newer law if they choose to, but IMO this would be charge inflation, on a parallel to hunting deer with assault rifles.

We can debate this, but it would take the thread in a P&A direction, so let's just leave it that I posted my opinion, and folks can agree, disagree, ignore it, or decide I'm off the wall, whatever they may think, and leave it at that.
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Originally Posted by FBinNY View Post
The "terroristic threat" laws were mostly passed after 9/11 and intended to cover terrorism or the threats thereof, ie. phoning in a bomb threat at a school.
If you are referring to September 11, 2001, Nebraska passed their law in 1986, which on my calendar is before.

Perhaps there is "alternative" timeline though. The sci-fi term not the Conway term.

But do carry on my wayward son....


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Originally Posted by mr_bill View Post
If you are referring to September 11, 2001, Nebraska passed their law in 1986, which on my calendar is before.




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As I said, "generally" passed after 9/11. But in any case, Nebraska has an older felony assault law, which (IMO) would be more appropriate to this case. But we have both posted on this, and I've made my opinion clear, so we can leave it here, or you can have the last word, at your option.

I'm always happy to let those who read my posts draw their own inferences.
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Originally Posted by winston63 View Post
Agreed. I'm not so concerned that they might have a knife (or machete), but that vehicle they are driving makes a pretty effective weapon. I'm not opposed to confronting someone if the situation warrants it, but mostly I do my best to avoid direct conflict.

I'll certainly report any aggression or attempted assaults, but fortunately that's incredibly rare in my city.
I am not opposed to confronting an aggressive driver. But I do it with my voice, instead of my fist.
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I'd say that myself, but I've done it twice and it was sort of an unconscious defensive reaction both times.

Once I was crossing the street in the crosswalk (with the light), and some kids zoomed past me way too close in a souped up Honda, just behind me. I actually didn't make contact with the car, but I swiped backward towards it. They got out and chased me down the block, I told them to get the hell out of my neighborhood. They talked tough but didn't do anything.

Another time I was biking along and a car quickly started pulling out of a space to my right. I slapped the fender hard instinctively and he hit the brakes. He didn't follow me or do anything afterward.

I guess I wouldn't do it if I had the time to think about it, but I didn't, it was just a reaction.
When someone suddenly pulls out of a parallel parking space. I 'poor on the gas' and swerve into the 'inside' lane and pass them.
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Originally Posted by FBinNY View Post
As I said, "generally" passed after 9/11.
You actually said "MOSTLY" [emphasis mine].

To summarize.

You don't know the facts of the case.
You don't know the laws of the state.

But you have an opinion.

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Originally Posted by asmac View Post
"Terroristic threats"? Seriously?
What would you call it if someone pulls a huge knife on you and threatens you?
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