Cycling and bicycle discussion forums. 
   Click here to join our community Log in to access your Control Panel  


Go Back   > >

Advocacy & Safety Cyclists should expect and demand safe accommodation on every public road, just as do all other users. Discuss your bicycle advocacy and safety concerns here.

User Tag List

Reply
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread
Old 02-06-17, 05:59 PM   #1
Marcus_Ti 
Furry Cruise Missile
Thread Starter
 
Marcus_Ti's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2014
Location: Lincoln, Nebraska
Bikes: Roadie: Seven Axiom Race Ti w/Chorus 11s. CX/Adventure: Carver Gravel Grinder w/ Di2
Posts: 2,825
Mentioned: 16 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 844 Post(s)
Reminder: Sometimes "those" drivers have machetes

Easy to get aggressive, just don't. In My Fair City, a dad and expressed his ire to a driver over a traffic infraction...and got a bit more of a reaction than he and his son expected.


Woman arrested for terroristic threats after pulling out knife | 911 News | journalstar.com

Quote:
Originally Posted by Woman arrested for terroristic threats after pulling out knife


A Lincoln woman was arrested Friday afternoon after police say she threatened a man and his son with a knife.

The man, 43, was riding bikes with his son near 31st and D streets when Crystal Fleming, 33, ran a stop sign, police said

The man slapped at Fleming’s Dodge Avenger as it passed. Police said Fleming then stopped her car, got out and pulled a 12-inch survival-style knife on the man and boy.

Police said a witness attempted to diffuse the situation before Fleming got back into her car and left.

Officers later found her vehicle in the 3100 block of E Street. Fleming was arrested on suspicion of making terroristic threats and use of a weapon to commit a felony. As of Saturday night, she remained in jail..
Marcus_Ti is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-06-17, 06:31 PM   #2
CB HI
Cycle Year Round
 
CB HI's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2005
Location: Honolulu, HI
Bikes:
Posts: 13,019
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 884 Post(s)
And how does another motorist (commenter) think?
Quote:
Sarah Leggs
And the bicyclist should not have slapped at her car either.....that also lacks respect and common decency. I have encountered so many rude bicyclists that wont even move over for an oncoming car.....ya know what? They are going to lose!
Maybe Sarah should learn that if the cyclist can reach out and slap your car, then Sarah is passing the cyclist way too close.
__________________
Land of the Free, Because of the Brave.
CB HI is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-06-17, 06:32 PM   #3
CB HI
Cycle Year Round
 
CB HI's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2005
Location: Honolulu, HI
Bikes:
Posts: 13,019
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 884 Post(s)
Quote:
Originally Posted by Marcus_Ti View Post
Easy to get aggressive, just don't. In My Fair City, a dad and expressed his ire to a driver over a traffic infraction...and got a bit more of a reaction than he and his son expected.
Worked out in the end. The motorist is in jail.
__________________
Land of the Free, Because of the Brave.
CB HI is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-07-17, 01:26 AM   #4
coominya
Senior Member
 
coominya's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2016
Location: Brisbane Aust
Bikes: Giant ToughRoad Giant talon
Posts: 1,644
Mentioned: 14 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 703 Post(s)
All I can say is I'm glad I cycle in Australia
coominya is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-07-17, 08:21 AM   #5
asmac
Senior Member
 
asmac's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2011
Location: Toronto
Bikes: Salsa Vaya
Posts: 1,160
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 111 Post(s)
"Terroristic threats"? Seriously?
asmac is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-07-17, 08:55 AM   #6
mr_bill
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Sep 2013
Location: Massachusetts
Bikes:
Posts: 2,130
Mentioned: 4 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 611 Post(s)
Quote:
Originally Posted by asmac View Post
"Terroristic threats"? Seriously?
It's gotten to the point where it's not even reported....

-mr. bill
mr_bill is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 02-07-17, 09:23 AM   #7
asmac
Senior Member
 
asmac's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2011
Location: Toronto
Bikes: Salsa Vaya
Posts: 1,160
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 111 Post(s)
Quote:
Originally Posted by mr_bill View Post
It's gotten to the point where it's not even reported....

-mr. bill

Glad to see the Bike Forums is not in thrall to the really very much extremely lying media. We get the straight goods!
asmac is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-07-17, 09:29 AM   #8
mr_bill
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Sep 2013
Location: Massachusetts
Bikes:
Posts: 2,130
Mentioned: 4 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 611 Post(s)
Anyhow, a knife with a 6" blade is not a machete.

Some would say that's not a knife.

-mr. bill
mr_bill is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 02-07-17, 12:51 PM   #9
Chris0516
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Nov 2015
Location: Washington Grove, Maryland
Bikes: 2003 (24)20-Speed Specialized Allez'
Posts: 1,165
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 280 Post(s)
Whenever I encounter a motorist behaving aggressively, like that. I certainly won't slap the person's vehicle.
Chris0516 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-07-17, 02:13 PM   #10
KD5NRH
Senior Member
 
KD5NRH's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2010
Location: Stephenville TX
Bikes: 2010 Trek 7100
Posts: 3,240
Mentioned: 2 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 413 Post(s)
Quote:
Originally Posted by Chris0516 View Post
Whenever I encounter a motorist behaving aggressively, like that. I certainly won't slap the person's vehicle.
Just depends; if I can see the window is up, I'm not going to risk hurting my hand.
KD5NRH is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-07-17, 02:18 PM   #11
winston63 
Senior Member
 
winston63's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2014
Bikes: Kona Jake the Snake, Specialized AWOL Comp, Scott Solace 10
Posts: 471
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 52 Post(s)
Quote:
Originally Posted by Chris0516 View Post
Whenever I encounter a motorist behaving aggressively, like that. I certainly won't slap the person's vehicle.
Agreed. I'm not so concerned that they might have a knife (or machete), but that vehicle they are driving makes a pretty effective weapon. I'm not opposed to confronting someone if the situation warrants it, but mostly I do my best to avoid direct conflict.

I'll certainly report any aggression or attempted assaults, but fortunately that's incredibly rare in my city.
winston63 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-07-17, 02:26 PM   #12
BikeLite
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Oct 2005
Bikes:
Posts: 539
Mentioned: 2 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 112 Post(s)
In Dallas, on a local walk/bike path, about 2-3 years ago, a deranged former high school football player attacked a runner on that path and cut his head off with a machete. I'm glad I was not biking that fateful morning. His wife some weeks later committed suicide due to the grief. Sad story.
BikeLite is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-07-17, 03:19 PM   #13
Milton Keynes
Senior Member
 
Milton Keynes's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2016
Bikes: Two-wheeled human-powered vehicles, but that's not important right now
Posts: 1,200
Mentioned: 3 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 451 Post(s)
Quote:
Originally Posted by asmac View Post
"Terroristic threats"? Seriously?
That's what it used to be called in my state until a number of years ago it was changed to "criminal threat." I think the term "criminal threat" covers a bit more than just one person terrorizing another.

But basically, criminal threat would be something like telling another person that you're going to kill them and making them have reasonable belief that you will carry it out. Telling someone that while holding a 12" knife gives someone a reasonable fear. Telling them that while holding a banana doesn't.
Milton Keynes is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-07-17, 03:20 PM   #14
Milton Keynes
Senior Member
 
Milton Keynes's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2016
Bikes: Two-wheeled human-powered vehicles, but that's not important right now
Posts: 1,200
Mentioned: 3 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 451 Post(s)
Quote:
Originally Posted by mr_bill View Post
Anyhow, a knife with a 6" blade is not a machete.

Some would say that's not a knife.

-mr. bill
That's not a knoife. That's a knoife.
Milton Keynes is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-07-17, 04:29 PM   #15
lostarchitect 
incazzare.
 
lostarchitect's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2010
Location: Brooklyn, NY
Bikes: See sig
Posts: 6,617
Mentioned: 9 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 33 Post(s)
Quote:
Originally Posted by Chris0516 View Post
Whenever I encounter a motorist behaving aggressively, like that. I certainly won't slap the person's vehicle.
I'd say that myself, but I've done it twice and it was sort of an unconscious defensive reaction both times.

Once I was crossing the street in the crosswalk (with the light), and some kids zoomed past me way too close in a souped up Honda, just behind me. I actually didn't make contact with the car, but I swiped backward towards it. They got out and chased me down the block, I told them to get the hell out of my neighborhood. They talked tough but didn't do anything.

Another time I was biking along and a car quickly started pulling out of a space to my right. I slapped the fender hard instinctively and he hit the brakes. He didn't follow me or do anything afterward.

I guess I wouldn't do it if I had the time to think about it, but I didn't, it was just a reaction.
__________________
1964 JRJ (Bob Jackson), 1973 Wes Mason, 1974 Raleigh Gran Sport, 1986 Schwinn High Sierra, 2000ish Colian (Colin Laing), 2011 Dick Chafe, 2013 Velo Orange Pass Hunter
lostarchitect is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-07-17, 05:12 PM   #16
asmac
Senior Member
 
asmac's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2011
Location: Toronto
Bikes: Salsa Vaya
Posts: 1,160
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 111 Post(s)
Quote:
Originally Posted by Milton Keynes View Post
That's what it used to be called in my state until a number of years ago it was changed to "criminal threat." I think the term "criminal threat" covers a bit more than just one person terrorizing another.

Interesting. Maybe the word "terroristic" has morphed in meaning. Our similar offences are "uttering threats" or "threatening death with a weapon".
asmac is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-07-17, 05:26 PM   #17
trailangel
Senior Member
 
trailangel's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2014
Location: Pasadena, CA
Bikes: Schwinn Varsity
Posts: 2,308
Mentioned: 4 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 589 Post(s)
What do you mean by "those drivers?"
trailangel is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-07-17, 05:31 PM   #18
FBinNY 
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Apr 2009
Location: New Rochelle, NY
Bikes: too many bikes from 1967 10s (5x2)Frejus to a Sumitomo Ti/Chorus aluminum 10s (10x2), plus one non-susp mtn bike I use as my commuter
Posts: 35,035
Mentioned: 100 Post(s)
Tagged: 1 Thread(s)
Quoted: 3424 Post(s)
Quote:
Originally Posted by asmac View Post
"Terroristic threats"? Seriously?
Yes, either a misquote or serious charge inflation. This isn't terrorism in any form, it's simple ADW.
__________________
FB
Chain-L site

An ounce of diagnosis is worth a pound of cure.

“Never argue with an idiot. He will only bring you down to his level and beat you with experience.”, George Carlin

“One accurate measurement is worth a thousand expert opinions” - Adm Grace Murray Hopper - USN

WARNING, I'm from New York. Thin skinned people should maintain safe distance.
FBinNY is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 02-07-17, 05:49 PM   #19
mr_bill
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Sep 2013
Location: Massachusetts
Bikes:
Posts: 2,130
Mentioned: 4 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 611 Post(s)
Quote:
Originally Posted by FBinNY View Post
Yes, either a misquote or serious charge inflation. This isn't terrorism in any form, it's simple ADW.
Wow, the "experts" here in A&S never fail to impress me.

So, from the several words in the article, how did you come to this conclusion? I am guessing here, but you also clearly feel that State v. Winkler was in error. How?

-mr. bill
mr_bill is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 02-07-17, 06:36 PM   #20
FBinNY 
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Apr 2009
Location: New Rochelle, NY
Bikes: too many bikes from 1967 10s (5x2)Frejus to a Sumitomo Ti/Chorus aluminum 10s (10x2), plus one non-susp mtn bike I use as my commuter
Posts: 35,035
Mentioned: 100 Post(s)
Tagged: 1 Thread(s)
Quoted: 3424 Post(s)
Quote:
Originally Posted by mr_bill View Post
Wow, the "experts" here in A&S never fail to impress me.

So, from the several words in the article, how did you come to this conclusion?
The "terroristic threat" laws were mostly passed after 9/11 and intended to cover terrorism or the threats thereof, ie. phoning in a bomb threat at a school.

Simple person to person, or face to face threats of individual violence were traditionally described as assault or assault with a deadly weapon (ADW).

Of course prosecutors can apply the newer law if they choose to, but IMO this would be charge inflation, on a parallel to hunting deer with assault rifles.

We can debate this, but it would take the thread in a P&A direction, so let's just leave it that I posted my opinion, and folks can agree, disagree, ignore it, or decide I'm off the wall, whatever they may think, and leave it at that.
__________________
FB
Chain-L site

An ounce of diagnosis is worth a pound of cure.

“Never argue with an idiot. He will only bring you down to his level and beat you with experience.”, George Carlin

“One accurate measurement is worth a thousand expert opinions” - Adm Grace Murray Hopper - USN

WARNING, I'm from New York. Thin skinned people should maintain safe distance.
FBinNY is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 02-07-17, 06:52 PM   #21
mr_bill
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Sep 2013
Location: Massachusetts
Bikes:
Posts: 2,130
Mentioned: 4 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 611 Post(s)
Quote:
Originally Posted by FBinNY View Post
The "terroristic threat" laws were mostly passed after 9/11 and intended to cover terrorism or the threats thereof, ie. phoning in a bomb threat at a school.
If you are referring to September 11, 2001, Nebraska passed their law in 1986, which on my calendar is before.

Perhaps there is "alternative" timeline though. The sci-fi term not the Conway term.

But do carry on my wayward son....


-mr. bill
mr_bill is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 02-07-17, 06:59 PM   #22
FBinNY 
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Apr 2009
Location: New Rochelle, NY
Bikes: too many bikes from 1967 10s (5x2)Frejus to a Sumitomo Ti/Chorus aluminum 10s (10x2), plus one non-susp mtn bike I use as my commuter
Posts: 35,035
Mentioned: 100 Post(s)
Tagged: 1 Thread(s)
Quoted: 3424 Post(s)
Quote:
Originally Posted by mr_bill View Post
If you are referring to September 11, 2001, Nebraska passed their law in 1986, which on my calendar is before.




-mr. bill
As I said, "generally" passed after 9/11. But in any case, Nebraska has an older felony assault law, which (IMO) would be more appropriate to this case. But we have both posted on this, and I've made my opinion clear, so we can leave it here, or you can have the last word, at your option.

I'm always happy to let those who read my posts draw their own inferences.
__________________
FB
Chain-L site

An ounce of diagnosis is worth a pound of cure.

“Never argue with an idiot. He will only bring you down to his level and beat you with experience.”, George Carlin

“One accurate measurement is worth a thousand expert opinions” - Adm Grace Murray Hopper - USN

WARNING, I'm from New York. Thin skinned people should maintain safe distance.
FBinNY is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 02-07-17, 11:41 PM   #23
Chris0516
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Nov 2015
Location: Washington Grove, Maryland
Bikes: 2003 (24)20-Speed Specialized Allez'
Posts: 1,165
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 280 Post(s)
Quote:
Originally Posted by winston63 View Post
Agreed. I'm not so concerned that they might have a knife (or machete), but that vehicle they are driving makes a pretty effective weapon. I'm not opposed to confronting someone if the situation warrants it, but mostly I do my best to avoid direct conflict.

I'll certainly report any aggression or attempted assaults, but fortunately that's incredibly rare in my city.
I am not opposed to confronting an aggressive driver. But I do it with my voice, instead of my fist.
Quote:
Originally Posted by lostarchitect View Post
I'd say that myself, but I've done it twice and it was sort of an unconscious defensive reaction both times.

Once I was crossing the street in the crosswalk (with the light), and some kids zoomed past me way too close in a souped up Honda, just behind me. I actually didn't make contact with the car, but I swiped backward towards it. They got out and chased me down the block, I told them to get the hell out of my neighborhood. They talked tough but didn't do anything.

Another time I was biking along and a car quickly started pulling out of a space to my right. I slapped the fender hard instinctively and he hit the brakes. He didn't follow me or do anything afterward.

I guess I wouldn't do it if I had the time to think about it, but I didn't, it was just a reaction.
When someone suddenly pulls out of a parallel parking space. I 'poor on the gas' and swerve into the 'inside' lane and pass them.
Chris0516 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-08-17, 08:23 AM   #24
mr_bill
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Sep 2013
Location: Massachusetts
Bikes:
Posts: 2,130
Mentioned: 4 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 611 Post(s)
Quote:
Originally Posted by FBinNY View Post
As I said, "generally" passed after 9/11.
You actually said "MOSTLY" [emphasis mine].

To summarize.

You don't know the facts of the case.
You don't know the laws of the state.

But you have an opinion.

-mr. bill
mr_bill is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 02-08-17, 10:55 AM   #25
rydabent
Senior Member
 
rydabent's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2010
Location: Lincoln Ne
Bikes: RANS Stratus TerraTrike Cruiser
Posts: 6,613
Mentioned: 11 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 764 Post(s)
Quote:
Originally Posted by asmac View Post
"Terroristic threats"? Seriously?
What would you call it if someone pulls a huge knife on you and threatens you?
rydabent is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply


Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off



All times are GMT -6. The time now is 11:08 AM.


 
  • Ask a Question
    get answers from real people!
Click to start entering your question.
I HAVE A QUESTION