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Old 04-15-17, 03:06 AM
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Mirror on helmet or bike?

Which do you prefer and why?
Does your bike mirror shake too much to see well?
Do you find it hard to keep your helmet mirror positioned correctly?
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Both. Mirrycles on the handlebars -- they're really tough, pretty much crash-proof (I've had plenty of experience). Take-A-Look on the helmet.

The handlebar mirrors were intuitive to use. Just like car and motorcycle mirrors. The helmet mirror took weeks for me to get used to. First couple of weeks after every ride I swore I'd return or get rid of the thing. Persisted, finally got to where I like it and refer to it more often now.

Shake is about equally bad with both, but in different situations. Sometimes the helmet mirror vibrates more so I'll refer to the handlebar mirror. And vice versa.

The Take-A-Look is 1:1, and catches a very small segment of the view behind, and includes a bit of my own head and eye when positioned where I want it. Took awhile to get the hang of quickly moving my head slightly for a quick peek without being too distracted from the road ahead. Otherwise my own head blocks part of the view immediately behind.

To mount the Take-A-Look, I cut a stiff plastic card (old grocery store discount card) to fit a niche inside my helmet. Then clipped the mirror's adjustable stem to the card. Zip-tied the mirror stem to the card, using a single zip-tie. Then zip-tied the card to the helmet in two places. There's just enough friction fit to let me adjust the mirror stem up and down a bit as needed. The Take-A-Look's built in adjustments handle the rest -- it's very versatile. The whole thing is durable. I've fallen once and dropped the helmet a couple of times and snagged the mirror on stuff. So far, so good.

Main advantage to the Mirrycle is the wide angle of view, so I'll notice car headlights earlier. In heavy traffic I'll turn the mirror away a bit more to catch the blind spot in the helmet mirror.

Main disadvantage to the handlebar mirror is the wide angle of view. It's less useful for estimating distance and approach speed. A speeding vehicle can go from invisible to right on your tail in no time if you rely too much on the mirror.
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I use wide-angle Cateye mirrors on my flat-bar bikes for commuting, mostly on four lane suburban roads.

I tried helmet mounts. I agree with canklecat above that they provide better detail because you can point it where you want to look and that it does take a lot of practice. In my situation I have not practiced enough to be able to use a helmet mirror effectively.

For detail I turn around and look. I believe this communicates to motorists that I know they are approaching. Generally I swing my head to the side when someone is 20-50 feet behind me. I usually don't even look; I just want the motorist to know I know they are there. In situations when I'm taking the lane, the handlebar mirror is enough for me to determine if a motorist isn't pulling over to pass. In that case I turn around and look at them. The hairy eyeball communicates a lot.

Again my context is commuting on a hybrid on suburban 4 lane roads.
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I've only tried bike mounted mirrors 2 or 3 times. The universally shook so much that I couldn't see a damned thing out of them. Also, if they were convex enough to get much of a field of view, they shrunk everything so much that even large trucks were the size of a pinhead until they were almost on top of me.

I have no trouble with helmet mounted mirrors. They're stable, always exactly in the same position so I can look back with a 1/2 second flick of my eyes, they're close enough that they already give me a wide field of view and I can make it wider by simply moving my head a bit.

I got used to the mirror in very short order, maybe a day or two. It did take probably a month before I didn't even think about it anymore. These days (13 years on) I find myself glancing for a mirror that isn't there when I hear something behind me just walking around a store.
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I use Mirraclye mirrors on both my flatbar and dropbar bikes. They adjust easily and won't shake at all if tightened. The one on the flatbar works better because it's always in your vision field. The dropbar mirror also works fine but you will have to figure out what spot works best for you because your arms can be in the way and you do have drop your glance a little.
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I use both. But, instead of helmet mount I use a glasses-mount take-a-look mirror. The glasses mount doesn't shake. I like it for that reason plus the ability to turn your head and sweep the view behind you. I like it so much I would recommend getting some clear safety glasses just so you can use the glasses-mount mirror. (Don't forget a strap for the glasses.)
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Bike mounted for me. I never could get used to helmet mounted mirrors. I have a mirror that mounts nicely to the down tube and gives a nice view to the rear.
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Bottom line, use what works for you.

Everyone has their preferred mirror system... find your's and use it.
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I gave up on mirrors years ago. Any mirror that was convex enough to actually catch a view of what was coming up behind me made everything like much more ominous than it actually was. Either they shake a lot, or they are never aimed where you want them. Between peripheral vision and my ears, I have all the info I need.
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Originally Posted by genec
bottom line, use what works for you.

Everyone has their preferred mirror system... Find your's and use it.
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Correct answer for me is mirror on helmet visor.
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Neither. Use the neck and look around like you should.
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Originally Posted by Rollfast
Neither. Use the neck and look around like you should.
I'll be right back, heading out to get rid of all those dumb, useless mirrors on my car.
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Originally Posted by Rollfast
Neither. Use the neck and look around like you should.
Not a useful option. Glaucoma and almost no side vision left. (Its also why I never group ride). And no Owl DNA -
so - Helmet mounted mirror works great and only took a couple days to get used to it. I like the idea of a down tube mounted mirror, but I split the riding up between eight vintage bikes so that's too expensive.
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Originally Posted by Rollfast
Neither. Use the neck and look around like you should.
This is what I do.

A helmet-mounted mirror requires the cyclists' head to be absolutely steady. In order to see what is in a mirror no bigger than a postage stamp.

A handle bar-mounted mirror requires the cyclist's hands to be absolutely steady. In order to see what is in a mirror, that is only slightly bigger than the biggest soup spoon.

I am sticking with my eyes n' ears.
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I prefer a helmet mounted mirror.

Never had the slightest difficulty using one effectively, and find the additional situational awareness very beneficial.
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Originally Posted by Rollfast
Neither. Use the neck and look around like you should.
+1

This is what I do.

Along with a helmet mirror.
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Originally Posted by f4rrest

This is what I do.

Along with a helmet mirror.


Same here, I guess some can't walk, and chew gum.......
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Originally Posted by Rollfast
Neither. Use the neck and look around like you should.
My C2 vertebra is splintered into three pieces. It never healed after a driver t-boned my vehicle 16 years ago, although the other five breaks in my cervical, thoracic and lumbar spine did.

I'll always have limited neck mobility. Turning my head sharply to look over my shoulder can literally make me pass out, same as being choked out by a martial artist or having the nerve pinched. Usually it just causes incredible pain that feels like corkscrews being twisted in my eyeballs.

So I use mirrors.

Same as any operator of large trucks with no rear view window should. If we're going to generalize about how all road users must operate.
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Originally Posted by Chris0516
This is what I do.

A helmet-mounted mirror requires the cyclists' head to be absolutely steady. In order to see what is in a mirror no bigger than a postage stamp.

A handle bar-mounted mirror requires the cyclist's hands to be absolutely steady. In order to see what is in a mirror, that is only slightly bigger than the biggest soup spoon.

I am sticking with my eyes n' ears.
"A helmet-mounted mirror requires the cyclists' head to be absolutely steady."
"In order to see what is in a mirror no bigger than a postage stamp."

Good thing I found this thread. I've been under the illusion I could see behind me with my CatEye helmet mirror quite well. It's gotten so bad I find myself thinking that my car mirrors are limiting. Apparently I've been very deluded for years.

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Originally Posted by grayEZrider
Not a useful option. Glaucoma and almost no side vision left. (Its also why I never group ride). And no Owl DNA -
so - Helmet mounted mirror works great and only took a couple days to get used to it. I like the idea of a down tube mounted mirror, but I split the riding up between eight vintage bikes so that's too expensive.
THat owl DNA would have helped me twice. The obvious head swivel and no peskey collarbones. After I broke my first, looking to the right was a challenge. Not a big issue in traffic, but was sometimes in races. Now, after two lefties, looking over my left shoulder is possible, but doing it and steering straight is nearly impossible. Now if I had that owl DNA, maybe I could have just skipped all that **** sapiens clavicle stuff.

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Originally Posted by 79pmooney
Good thing I found this thread. I've been under the illusion I could see behind me with my CatEye helmet mirror quite well. It's gotten so bad I find myself thinking that my car mirrors are limiting. Apparently I've been very deluded for years.
It's gotten bad for me too. There's a motorcycle helmet with a built in mirror I'd love to have if it wasn't so expensive.

The semi I drive has 7 mirrors.......maybe they're correct, and we simply have an unhealthy addiction to mirrors.
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This: https://www.rearviz.com/

Caveat, the ads are Australian. They drive on the wrong side of the road down there. The mirror is international though. Just switch arms.
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Originally Posted by bobwysiwyg
I'll be right back, heading out to get rid of all those dumb, useless mirrors on my car.

You have a rickshaw? C-pillars.
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I do have a car mirror from the 60s though. If I ever install that Honda motorcycle fairing on Tempest I'll go for it.
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