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I've been riding for over 40 years, and I am still alive because I think of myself as prey.
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family should sue the city for creating a false sense of security by painting a bike lane. poor kid thought she was safe. bike lanes with raised dividers are much better
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I've been riding for over 40 years, and I am still alive because I think of myself as prey.
Yeah, I've been hit a few times, but for the most part managed to avoid death by thinking of myself as Casper the ghost. Those that believe in cyclists see me, but for the most part, I am invisible, and tend to think of myself that way around motorized vehicles filled with distracted, inattentive drivers, that will never see me.
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family should sue the city for creating a false sense of security by painting a bike lane. poor kid thought she was safe. bike lanes with raised dividers are much better
Or sue the police, in particular, that precinct for negligence or failure to uphold the law.
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Death for convenience of the driver:

It's almost impossible to see a bicyclist in the mirror, sometimes in the blind spot, unless you physically turn your head and look back.
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Originally Posted by genec View Post
Yeah, I've been hit a few times, but for the most part managed to avoid death by thinking of myself as Casper the ghost. Those that believe in cyclists see me, but for the most part, I am invisible, and tend to think of myself that way around motorized vehicles filled with distracted, inattentive drivers, that will never see me.
Tell us about the rare circumstance you did not avoid death.
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Tell us about the rare circumstance you did not avoid death.
Well, I am a ghost....
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family should sue the city for creating a false sense of security by painting a bike lane. poor kid thought she was safe. bike lanes with raised dividers are much better
Following your premise they're actually worse because they increase that illusion of safety.

The problem isn't getting hit by passing vehicles while riding in the lane, but getting hit by turning vehicles at intersections, where the risk is real 10 times per mile (would be 20, save for one way streets).

You can change the laws of man all you wish, and define "right of way" anyway you want, but that doesn't change the laws of nature relating to sight lines and the difficult in both seeing and gauging the speed of cyclists from the front, and especially in a mirror.

I don't know the details of this particular event, so can't say who was at fault, either from the legal or practical aspects. But I will say that if all drivers and cyclists adhered strictly to the traffic code, the city would be safer. But only because traffic would grind to a halt as, for example, only one or two vehicles would be able to turn on any light cycle.
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Thanks for linking that article. My 22 year old daughter is finishing her senior year of college in Manhattan. She'll likely stay there after college. We live/she grew up in suburban RI and she's never really ridden a bike very much. Once she got in college there she wanted a bike. Mom and I said no...and this article points out exactly why we feel that way. Of course she always thought we're crazy and being over-protective, and that it wouldn't be a problem for her. But, she isn't experienced enough. And by experience I mean that as an avid cyclist myself I wouldn't feel experienced enough to ride the streets of Manhattan. When I go to NYC and see what it's like for those cyclists it scares me. Riding those streets takes a special kind of experience.

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family should sue the city for creating a false sense of security by painting a bike lane. poor kid thought she was safe. bike lanes with raised dividers are much better
I don't think that's a good approach. I've learned about the concept of "attractive nuisance," and apparently, if government uses accepted practices, you can't sue. But it might be a bad design. I've been riding a lot in NYC the past 3-1/2 years, and I still haven't decided if I like the bike lanes. I do use them.
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Originally Posted by _ForceD_ View Post
Thanks for linking that article. My 22 year old daughter is finishing her senior year of college in Manhattan. She'll likely stay there after college. We live/she grew up in suburban RI and she's never really ridden a bike very much. Once she got in college there she wanted a bike. Mom and I said no...and this article points out exactly why we feel that way. Of course she always thought we're crazy and being over-protective, and that it wouldn't be a problem for her. But, she isn't experienced enough. And by experience I mean that as an avid cyclist myself I wouldn't feel experienced enough to ride the streets of Manhattan. When I go to NYC and see what it's like for those cyclists it scares me. Riding those streets take a special kind of experience.

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I'm sorry you came to that conclusion! NYC might be safer for cycling than other places because it's so common. I don't think the likelihood of dying on a bike is unusually high here. The problem the article addresses is what happens if you do.

I could show your daughter how to ride safely and comfortably in traffic, if that helps. I've taught many adults and children.
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Thanks for linking that article. My 22 year old daughter is finishing her senior year of college in Manhattan. She'll likely stay there after college. We live/she grew up in suburban RI and she's never really ridden a bike very much. Once she got in college there she wanted a bike. Mom and I said no...and this article points out exactly why we feel that way. Of course she always thought we're crazy and being over-protective, and that it wouldn't be a problem for her. But, she isn't experienced enough. And by experience I mean that as an avid cyclist myself I wouldn't feel experienced enough to ride the streets of Manhattan. When I go to NYC and see what it's like for those cyclists it scares me. Riding those streets takes a special kind of experience.

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Actually it's quite safe for a number of reasons. First of all NYC traffic is generally slower than suburban traffic because there's so much of it. So the differential between car and bike speed is much less. Also NYC's one way streets eliminates hazards like left cross which can be among the most dangerous type of collision.

Lastly, NYC's chaos keeps the drivers, bicyclists and pedestrians on their toes full time. Drivers stay on high alert full time because of jaywalkers, buses moving back into the flow, double parked cars, cabs zipping across lanes and stopping for a fare and of course bicyclists.

All that's needed to ride safe in NYC is the ability to hold a line, being alert to ones surrounds, and steady nerves.

Does NYC have more bicycle fatalities than many (or most) other places? Of course, but then again NYC has vastly more bicyclists, and the risk level is actually pretty low.
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Personally, I have trouble with the concept that a woman about to graduate from college allows her parent to tell her she cannot ride a bicycle. She needs to grow some ovaries and tell Dad thanks for your input, now get outta may way I have an appointment at the bike shop.
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Does NYC have more bicycle fatalities than many (or most) other places? Of course, but then again NYC has vastly more bicyclists, and the risk level is actually pretty low.
Though NYC may have a larger number of total cyclists than cities with a smaller population I don't believe that the percentage of the residents that ride bicycles for pleasure or transportation in the city is much higher, if indeed it is higher at all, than many other urban areas in the U.S.

I also suspect that the "risk level" for NYC bicyclists in comparison with other U.S. cities is just a guess, given that the term is meaningless unless it has some sort of definition/associated metrics to compare.
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Though NYC may have a larger number of total cyclists than cities with a smaller population I don't believe that the percentage of the residents that ride bicycles for pleasure or transportation in the city is much higher, if indeed it is higher at all, than many other urban areas in the U.S.

I also suspect that the "risk level" for NYC bicyclists in comparison with other U.S. cities is just a guess, given that the term is meaningless unless it has some sort of definition/associated metrics to compare.
I don't like to waste time arguing with folks who just like to argue, but to clarify.

I was responding to someone from a more suburban area (by his description), and compared NYC to most other places, not most other cities, per se.

You might want to debate participation levels based on city size, but I consider it a strawman since, I was speaking raw numbers, not participation rates.

As for risk level, I won't argue, but will venture that based on raw data of number of serious accidents vs. the number of cyclists out there, the city fares pretty well compared to other locations.

Feel free to consider this snarky or argumentative, I agree that it may seem that way to you, and let other readers decide for themselves.
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Or sue the police, in particular, that precinct for negligence or failure to uphold the law.
In the U.S. the courts have actually upheld the concept that the police are not required to uphold the law or protect citizens.
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Personally, I have trouble with the concept that a woman about to graduate from college allows her parent to tell her she cannot ride a bicycle. She needs to grow some ovaries and tell Dad thanks for your input, now get outta may way I have an appointment at the bike shop.
As long as she's living on their dole, college or not, they have input. Of course she's free to say no, and of course they're free to cut her off if they aren't pleased with her attitude.

Then again, even when we're adults and living independently, our parents are still out parents, and can say anthing they want. The only thing that changes are the consequences of saying thanks but..... and doing whatever we're going to do anyway.
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Yeah, I've been hit a few times, but for the most part managed to avoid death by thinking of myself as Casper the ghost. Those that believe in cyclists see me, but for the most part, I am invisible, and tend to think of myself that way around motorized vehicles filled with distracted, inattentive drivers, that will never see me.
Yep, that is exactly another one of my rules! Drivers are focused on other motor vehicles, since those represent an actual bodily threat. Lizard part of the brain at work.

Oh yea, bike lanes. I use them, it is nice to have that space, and it is cool that the city is trying. But they are an invitation to die. Most of my close calls are in bike lanes, many are the dreaded right turn cut-offs.

Last rule - have an escape plan for every second you are pedaling, not matter how nasty (tumble into this ravine, roll into the sidewalk on this bridge, etc.). That way you are mentally prepared to actually do it if necessary.
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I don't like to waste time arguing with folks who just like to argue, but to clarify.

I was responding to someone from a more suburban area (by his description), and compared NYC to most other places, not most other cities, per se.

You might want to debate participation levels based on city size, but I consider it a strawman since, I was speaking raw numbers, not participation rates.

As for risk level, I won't argue, but will venture that based on raw data of number of serious accidents vs. the number of cyclists out there, the city fares pretty well compared to other locations.

Feel free to consider this snarky or argumentative, I agree that it may seem that way to you, and let other readers decide for themselves.
I get it, you do not like to argue (i.e. support/validate) statements you make about relative "risk level" based on what ever raw numbers you can find or risk definitions that you fabricate on the fly. I also have no doubt you can find other equally snarky posters who can decide the same about making risk evaluation conclusions based on equally flaky/shaky evidence.
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I get it, you do not like to argue (i.e. support/validate) statements you make about relative "risk level" based on what ever raw numbers you can find or risk definitions that you fabricate on the fly. I also have no doubt you can find other equally snarky posters who can decide the same about making risk evaluation conclusions based on equally flaky/shaky evidence.
Whatever you say.

However, to be perfectly clear, I don't like pointless arguments. Any pointless arguments, but especially with those people who revel in them.

You in particular, seem to enjoy attacking others, or claiming they lack evidence, but I don't recall many examples (actually any examples, but leaving an out) where you offer up anything by way of evidence yourself.

So feel free to post your strawmen, and I'll feel free to ignore them.
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I'm sorry you came to that conclusion! NYC might be safer for cycling than other places because it's so common. I don't think the likelihood of dying on a bike is unusually high here. The problem the article addresses is what happens if you do.

I could show your daughter how to ride safely and comfortably in traffic, if that helps. I've taught many adults and children.
Well, I think "safer for cycling than other places" might be a 'relative' comparison. What really caught my attention was the quote from the article "There were more than 3,000 crashes (in NYC) causing serious injury or death last year,...". That's 3000 more crashes than there were in our town and surrounding communities during the same period. And as I mentioned...she didn't ride a bike much growing up...nor has she been on one since high school as far as I know. So, I think that someone like that taking off on a bike in Manhattan would be like a non-swimmer jumping into the deep end of a pool. I don't know if 'howsteepisit' has parented before...but yeah...of course she should grow a set. But...she's a smart kid. She may not like what we tell her, but she respects it (although she may not verbalized that to us). And in the end she realizes that we're just looking out for her safety. And as FBinNY stated...as long as she's living there on our dime...she realizes that we could cut the purse strings real quick.

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Newer cars have realy realy bad big blind spots, both in front and behind.
It didn't used to be that way. My 20 year old car has very small blind spots.

I'm thinking alot of bikes and pedestrians get mowed down because of these blind spots.

Time for someone to sue the big auto manufacturer...that's the only way to make them change their bad ways of building cars.
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