coominya

genec

Gee, this piece is so well researched... NOT. Right in the middle it goes into this little "scare number..."
The biggest issue being that no "self driving car" was involved... it was again, that same Tesla, with advanced cruise control.... but for the sake of this sensationalized hit piece... it is a dangerous "self driving car."

Ooooo. Are we scared yet?

I-Like-To-Bike

Sure, self driving cars are like ghosts, lots of people believe in them, despite scant evidence of their existence.

350htrr

Would you have believed that a vehicle will put on it's brakes autonomously even if the driver didn't, when it sensed a collision about to happen 10 or even 5 years ago.? Well they are here, sold to the public, not just tested but here, mass marketed... Even excepted as normal...

genec

Well in their complete and legal implementation, available to the general public, to be used on public roads, self driving cars in fact DO NOT YET EXIST.

So indeed you are quite right.

But, this is also somewhat like the early days of computing... when the TI-99 made the scene and the Apple 1 had just hit the streets... IBM was announcing that they saw no need for "a personal computer..."

Just a few years later IBM was selling the XT, Apple was selling the Apple ll and people were talking of getting a computer just so they could "put their recipes on it."

Now we have smartphones that have vastly more power than those old 8 bit machines, we surf and shop the internet daily, we have more pictures using space in memory chips than the first computers had in just memory space alone alone. (ooooo... a 10 meg hard drive... wow.... right up there with a google campus car, eh?)

Self driving cars are on the way... but don't expect the streets to be filled with driverless cars for 20 or more years. You have lots and lots of time to tell us that technology just won't do the trick... just like those folks way back in the early days of computing made statements like "there is no reason anyone would want a computer in their home."

Have a nice day.

genec

He has to see published statistical evidence before admitting that such a thing is true.

Here is a press release regarding autobraking collision avoidance features from the NHTSA:
Automakers agree to standard AEB by 2022

So by 2022, 99% of all cars sold with be autobraking...

I cannot find a statistic that lists the number of cars on the road today with AEB (automatic emergency braking), but there is quite a list of vehicles available with this feature, and the IIHS has a short "glossy" report indicating that insurance companies are seeing fewer collision claims on average, from cars equipped with AEB.
Crash avoidance features cut insurance claims

Here is the list of current vehicles with AEB:

northernlights

When a driverless car crashes the company could just lie and say the car wasn't in self-driving mode at the time, blaming the accident on the human owner like Tesla usually does when something goes wrong with their autopilot feature. How do you know if they are telling the truth or not?


Driverless cars will require 360 degree field of hearing as well, to recognize and respond to emergency vehicle sirens, other cars honking at them, etc. More layers of complexity, more things that can break down.

I-Like-To-Bike

Are vehicles with an autobraking feature now the new definition of "self driving cars"? I don't think so.

BTW, are we to deduce that because smartphones and personal computers have become available to the general public, and that man has walked on the moon, that every other desired technological dream project (for example a true self driving car... Level 4) will also be successful? Where are those flying cars in every garage?

genec

I don't recall major industry working on "flying cars" nor establishing standards for flying cars... However, if you insist...

Dubai to launch driverless flying cars by this summer | The National
5 companies building flying cars - Business Insider
Flying cars no longer a fantasy thanks to trailblazing designers and engineers | Style Magazine | South China Morning Post

But let's face it... you don't even believe automatically braking crash avoidance cars are real, much less the future of self driving cars... so of course flying cars cannot be real.

I-Like-To-Bike

The subject is not about just one step (setting standards) in bringing real "self driving cars" successfully to market. Do real self driving cars (Level 4) exist or not?
Do you believe that current cars with a so-called crash avoidance braking system are self driving cars?
Don't be a dingbat and fabricate falsehoods about what I believe or posted.

MikeOK

I bet we see flying cars and autonomous cars about the same time.

I-Like-To-Bike

Maybe we will see the cure for cancer first; lotsa money spent on that desired and desirable goal too.

Then again alchemists have been working forever on turning lead into gold, but haven't been successful yet.

genec

back in post 310, I gave you those answers... However, you foresee or at least seem to profess, that they won't ever arrive... and this is where we part company... just the braking aspect alone. (now mandated for 99% of all new cars in 2022) will make the roads safer for cyclists (the question of this thread). So just how far do self driving cars have to go to meet that standard... of making it safer for cyclists?

As a side note, the issue of flying cars is one of energy... it takes a lot of energy to make a car fly, vice roll.

coominya

No @genec , there are no fully autonomous cars in the showrooms across America. You can't buy one, no matter how much you stamp your feet and rant and rave, they don't exist yet, they only exist in the marketing videos, in your conditioned mind, and of course, in SiFi movies.

So if you really want to see a true autonomous car in action, get back to the movies, but not that movie about being stranded on MARS. We don't need a whole thread cluttered with your opinions about how mankind is going to have a colony on mars in a couple of years and will build a space elevator and be sending Martian minerals and oil back Blah Blah Blah.

noisebeam

Waymo seeks Arizona volunteers for rides in self-driving cars

genec

Please check your reading comprehension... I clearly said they are not here yet... Not only that, I have also indicated that it is highly likely that you will never "own" one. But hey, you'd have to actually follow a thread and read it to see that. I have also offered links to those who are involved in the industry... so you and anyone else can see where self driving cars are today, and what has been accomplished to date. But again, you have to actually READ to see that.

BTW in post 310 I actually say "self driving cars in fact DO NOT YET EXIST." CAN YOU READ?

genec

Nah, can't happen... they only exist in movies...

coominya

The polls say no one wants to drive them
The evidence says they crash for the stupidest reasons
And logic dictates they would be like putting Pink Battle Tanks in a warzones after removing their main guns.

I couldn't think of a worse fate than being trapped in a car without a steering wheel on American roads. You're a sitting duck for every psycho with a grudge against technology and every kid who's bored and wants to kick some *ss

The blind believers here should go up and read some of the threads where cyclists are being shot and run off the roads. People in AI cars will get the same treatment. It will be a bloodbath if they ever went into production.

No, the gurus will make their billions as usual, and slowly back away as the whole brainless scheme is swept under the rug with all the other techno-failures. Oh there will be a car here and there, probably some tiny autonomous pizza car, but that's it.

I-Like-To-Bike

What you seem to profess is nothing but your own fabricated straw man arguments about what I claim about what may or might happen in the future about self driving cars. To help you of your confusion between what I actually posted and what you fabricate, self driving cars are not here now, and don't seem likely to appear soon just because PR flacks and organizations are spending a lot of money on the their dream. Also claims about their certainty to to reduce traffic collisions if and when common are just so much speculation, wishful thinking and PR flackery.

You profess that "self driving cars in fact DO NOT YET EXIST" and then go on about an advance in braking systems and "just how far do self driving cars have to go to meet that standard... of making it safer for cyclists" as if that somehow reveals anything about when or if self driving cars will ever arrive let alone be a practical alternative to existing automotive systems.

coominya

Waymo seeks Arizona volunteers for rides in self-driving cars

Yes I can read, no need to shout. Can you discern between fact from fiction?
Half your posts admit they don't exist
While the other half talk about how great it's going to be when we're all driving them?

I don't think you have done any primary research into this technology, you have no idea even what these test models cost. You seem to be just parroting the latest blurb of the television set.

genec

There is nothing I can say... this is all moving and future technology. Tech has a way of advancing quickly.

Wait and see... anything else is speculation.

I-Like-To-Bike

If you don't believe they already exist what exactly is your point?
Make up your mind! Do you believe self driving cars already exist or not?

genec

Really?

Prototypes exist and are being tested. None exist for general public use, except some campus vehicles.

The tech that has been developed, toward the eventual true class 4 self driving car, such as AEB... an agreed upon eventual standard item, has lead to ins co claims of fewer collisions.

The question posed by the OP was "would." A completely law abiding vehicle "would" be safer than a vehicle driven by human drivers.

There it is.

MikeOK

What are the insurance companies going to do when all these cars start crashing into each other because they lost a signal or some other required thing? They won't have a person to blame.

I-Like-To-Bike

Please explain or translate what "ins co claims of fewer collisions" means in regards to vehicles that don't currently exist and may (or may not ever) be owned and driven by the public in the future. Do you mean insurance company speculation about future claims on futuristic cars driven on futuristic traffic road systems?