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Cycle Lanes on New Bridge

Our state is planning on replacing an extremely worn bridge and is in the process of deciding on a designer and builder. I recently saw a nice design with dedicated, protected bicycle lanes (outside of the cable stays), which would far-surpass our current bridge with pedestrian walkway only on one side. I'm in the process of maybe educating myself a little bit on current bridge bike path designs, and thought this one in Helsinki, Finland was a good one. If there are better ideas, I'd like to know and possibly submit them to our planning committee.
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wutz better than giant two-way bike & pedestrian paths on both sides which are also protected from traffic?
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Originally Posted by rumrunn6
wutz better than giant two-way bike & pedestrian paths on both sides which are also protected from traffic?
No car traffic.
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There is a new bridge and MUP over the Sakonnet River which is Rt. 24. It is now enjoyed by cyclists as well as many pedestrians. At a small ceremony at the opening of the bike path, transportation people revealed that the long term plan is to have a bike path all the way to Cape Cod, 50 mile away. The Cape itself already has a rail trail of 30 miles or so for a total of nearly 100 miles when connected.

In this area of the northeast, he powers that be are taking notice of cycling and providing the infrastructure for that activity in large and small ways. The large way would be a bridge with a dedicated MUP lane. A small way would be providing a rideable shoulder along highways as funds permit. Slowly, but noticeably, it is happening.
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Originally Posted by rumrunn6
wutz better than giant two-way bike & pedestrian paths on both sides which are also protected from traffic?
I hear you. The Finns have apparently "got it goin'". When my town (or state) decides on a designer, I'll try to find out what their ideas are, and possibly make a few suggestions. The cable strut bridge in the photo also has a track down the middle for a streetcar.

Genec: I am with ya' on that.

Bern: That is great news. There are a lot of people (myself included) who would ride to Sakonnet from the Cape and enjoy it very much. I hope that the surging popularity of bicycle riding translates into more of R.I. oceanfront becoming accessible to the public. I love R.I. and would like to see this.
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The Gordie Howe bridge between Detroit and Windsor, Ontario will have a MUP to one side for bicycle and pedestrian traffic:
Bicycling access between Detroit and Windsor | Detroit Greenways Coalition
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Here's what we got on the recently build 7th Street Bridge in Fort Worth:



Note that motor traffic travels between the arches, and bicycle/pedestrian traffic is outside the arches. There's a bike/ped lane on each side of the bridge.
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This is pretty straight forward:



Biloxi to Ocean Springs, Mississippi USA

There is a similar one in Bay St. Louis, Miss but smaller scale. I Bike them, skate them, and walk them. Works just fine but nothing fancy to look at.
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Originally Posted by Doohickie
Here's what we got on the recently build 7th Street Bridge in Fort Worth:



Note that motor traffic travels between the arches, and bicycle/pedestrian traffic is outside the arches. There's a bike/ped lane on each side of the bridge.
Looks real nice, Dooh. I'm wondering if they could use those struts to create and install sun-activated "blinds", to provide shade. Just an idea.
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Originally Posted by Doohickie
Here's what we got on the recently build 7th Street Bridge in Fort Worth:



Note that motor traffic travels between the arches, and bicycle/pedestrian traffic is outside the arches. There's a bike/ped lane on each side of the bridge.
Doohickie, I was just in town a couple of days ago for my nephew's wedding... it is amazing what is going on in "redneck" Fort Worth. The transformation all over is awesome. From the Trinity Trails bike paths and various resources being built, to the Chisholm Trail Parkway, to 7th Ave... Fort Worth is setting the pace for the west.

Give the mayor a round of applause.

I have to admit I can no longer find my way around town without a GPS... the changes are so numerous. Oh sure, some things have not changed much... ie Camp Bowie (even Zekes is still there...) but the changes that have been made are quite positive.
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Originally Posted by 1989Pre
Looks real nice, Dooh. I'm wondering if they could use those struts to create and install sun-activated "blinds", to provide shade. Just an idea.
Why? You're in the sun the rest of the time.

The construction of that bridge was wild. It was all designed by state engineers. The old bridge was one of those hundred year old bridges that was ready to collapse. They "shaved" the outer sidewalks and lanes off it, making it a one-lane-each-way bridge, then built the piers to hold the arches. They built the cast concrete arches just off site (about a quarter mile away), and used specialized equipment to move them to the bridge, then craned them into place. They built the two sets of arches while they old bridge still carried traffic. Then they closed the old bridge, demolished it, hung the beams between the arches and built the bridge decks, all in about 4 months. An amazing feat of engineering. Oh, and it came in under budget.

Here's a thread from a local architecture forum that discussed the bridge construction as it happened.


Also.... the bike lanes on the outside are kind of superfluous, to be honest:
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There are lots of options.

This one is in Portland. It puts the bicycles 30 feet below the cars (although there is an occasional passing train).


This is the DeFazio bridge in Eugene. One of five dedicated bicycle only bridges across the Willamette river, plus a sixth bridge across the McKenzie river, and a few smaller bicycle only bridges over various canals and across the freeway.



The DeFazio bridge is actually in an odd place, only a few feet from the Ferry Street bridge (seen in the background of the photo) that also has protected bike paths.

Anyway, the bicycle only bridges are nice.
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No matter how nice they make it for bicycles with protected lanes there will always be those cyclists who demand their right to ride on the road with the cars. What could ever possibly go wrong with that?
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No matter how nice they make it for bicycles with protected lanes there will always be those cyclists who demand their right to ride on the road with the cars. What could ever possibly go wrong with that?
There are reasons for both choices.

The better the infrastructure, the fewer the bicycles that choose to ignore it. Low quality infrastructure (narrow, rough, dirty, too many pedestrians, going to the wrong place, poor access on ends, ...), and more cyclists will choose to ignore it. Towing trailers where no space permits... or bollards block safe access?
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Originally Posted by CliffordK
There are reasons for both choices.

The better the infrastructure, the fewer the bicycles that choose to ignore it. Low quality infrastructure (narrow, rough, dirty, too many pedestrians, going to the wrong place, poor access on ends, ...), and more cyclists will choose to ignore it. Towing trailers where no space permits... or bollards block safe access?
Maybe, but I'm guessing that there would be cyclists who would choose to ride in traffic out of pure pissiness because nobody is going to tell them they can't ride with the traffic even if the bridge had signs that read, "No Bicycles Allowed On Bridge".

Where I live there are 2 bridges over the Mississippi, side by side. The old one with both lanes heading from Wisconsin and the new one with both lanes heading into Wisconsin from Minnesota. Just awhile ago I had a friend who is a scrapper and uses his bike and a long cargo trailer and he was heading back to Minnesota and he rides on the wide walkway of the new bridge and never in a million years would he ever ride on the road. Smart choice, frankly, I wouldn't either.
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Originally Posted by JoeyBike
This is pretty straight forward:

Biloxi to Ocean Springs, Mississippi USA

There is a similar one in Bay St. Louis, Miss but smaller scale. I Bike them, skate them, and walk them. Works just fine but nothing fancy to look at.
Would have been nice to do something like that on the Huey P Long.

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Originally Posted by elocs
Where I live there are 2 bridges over the Mississippi, side by side. The old one with both lanes heading from Wisconsin and the new one with both lanes heading into Wisconsin from Minnesota.
Going to either Wisconsin or Minnesota by any method pretty much kills any pretense of intelligence.
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Here's another one in Fort Worth. The cycling/ped bridge is slung under the motor traffic bridge.
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I like that below a twin bridge path, as long as boat clearance isn't a big deal.

I was just wondering for ordinary spans of a couple hundred feet, what would be the difference in cost between adding a wide bike lane to the deck of a vehicle bridge vs building a separate bicycle-only bridge nearby.

One of the things that Eugene did for several of their bridges. Whenever they needed to have a pipeline or sewer line cross the river, they decided to just make it into a bike bridge I don't think the DeFazio bridge above has a sewer line, but others do.
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Great pictures in the thread!!!

I wanted to show a picture of cyclists' and pedestrians going across the Chesapeake Bay Bridge up past Baltimore. That was until I found out, they are not allowed on the bridge.

So I got a video of walking/biking across the Key Bridge in DC:

I sure hope they removed the bollards at least.

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Thanks for all the bridge photos everyone. It is encouraging.
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Originally Posted by scott967
Would have been nice to do something like that on the Huey P Long.

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The idea of a bicycle (and pedestrian)-only bridge is an interesting one. Actually, we do have this alternative already, but it would "swing" me out of my way by 10-12 minutes, usually. I like some of the other designs seen in this string, too.
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Originally Posted by CliffordK
I was just wondering for ordinary spans of a couple hundred feet, what would be the difference in cost between adding a wide bike lane to the deck of a vehicle bridge vs building a separate bicycle-only bridge nearby.
I think the answer largely depends on bike versus motor traffic routes. In the picture I posted above, the bike/ped bridge slung under the traffic bridge primarily connects the bike trails on the banks of the river (you can see the trail that runs under the bridge). Although there are connections to the motor traffic road at either end, most bike/ped traffic is just going bank to bank, so it doesn't make sense to put the bike/ped bridge up at the same height as the motor traffic bridge.

On the one I posted earlier (with the arches), the road that goes over the bridge has bike lanes on either side of the bridge alongside the motor traffic, so it makes sense to move the cars and bikes at the same level.

In general I would think the most cost effective method is to put enough width into the bridge to carry both bikes and cars, but like I said, it depends on the bike routes in the area (are they on street with the cars, or something different?)

I can think of 5 bike bridges recently built over the Trinity River in Fort Worth. Two were built as added width on motor traffic bridges, two were built as independent spans where there wasn't really any road involved (bank to bank to the trails on each side of the river), and one was slung below the motor traffic; the last one is more for bank-to-bank crossing than for transit in the same direction of the road.
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Originally Posted by Doohickie
I think the answer largely depends on bike versus motor traffic routes. In the picture I posted above, the bike/ped bridge slung under the traffic bridge primarily connects the bike trails on the banks of the river (you can see the trail that runs under the bridge). Although there are connections to the motor traffic road at either end, most bike/ped traffic is just going bank to bank, so it doesn't make sense to put the bike/ped bridge up at the same height as the motor traffic bridge.

On the one I posted earlier (with the arches), the road that goes over the bridge has bike lanes on either side of the bridge alongside the motor traffic, so it makes sense to move the cars and bikes at the same level.

In general I would think the most cost effective method is to put enough width into the bridge to carry both bikes and cars, but like I said, it depends on the bike routes in the area (are they on street with the cars, or something different?)

I can think of 5 bike bridges recently built over the Trinity River in Fort Worth. Two were built as added width on motor traffic bridges, two were built as independent spans where there wasn't really any road involved (bank to bank to the trails on each side of the river), and one was slung below the motor traffic; the last one is more for bank-to-bank crossing than for transit in the same direction of the road.
Height and destination does make some difference.

Here in Eugene/Springfield, much of the waterfront is like a long park, so it is convenient to have independent bike bridges hopping from one side to another. One is placed between the University and the football stadium (on opposite sides of the river), and another provides access to one of the largest indoor shopping malls in the area.

I think the Steel bridge above has both lower and upper paths which might depend on whether one is starting at the riverside park, or following roads.

The DeFazio bridge vs Ferry Street bridge is an interesting solution. The Ferry Street bridge was functional for bike and pedestrian traffic for many years. The new DeFazio bridge next to it likely was added primarily as park access. Both are fairly high, and requires some climbing to access (don't want them to wash out in floods). I usually get onto the bridge from within the park, but then exit onto either streets or the bike path on the other side of the river. The old Ferry street Bridge did have an access ramp into the park which may have been removed, but the paths generally remain.

Anyway, it kind of got me thinking that a bike bridge doesn't need to be on a car bridge, but could be a completely separate entity, especially if bike and vehicle access/destinations typically diverge at one or both ends.

Many of the bike bridges can be very popular for pedestrians loitering over the river, to the point where it can sometimes become a problem. But they are much more pleasant than the car bridges, especially the narrow ones without bike facilities. Some of the bike/MUP bridges have park benches which may be even more of a problem

It looks like we need better photos depicting it when it is crowded.

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