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Old 09-19-17, 01:29 PM
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Cattle Guard Warning

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A good friend and experienced cyclist and outdoor adventurer was killed last month while cycling in Wyoming. He was climbing an improved dirt road at probably 10 mph when he crossed the cattle guard above. His front wheel dropped into the gap in the cattle guard rails, causing him to go over the handlebars, landing on his head, causing critical injuries. Unfortunately he died moments later at the scene. Yes, he was wearing a helmet. It happened so fast; they weren't descending at high speed and taking huge risks - just out on a great bike adventure together when he's suddenly gone. So sad

Apparently, road designers, stewards and/or owners may not have a duty to provide safe passage over cattle guards for narrow bicycle wheels. The victim's friends and family are mobilizing and advocating for a standard that would ensure safe travel over cattle guards for cyclists. Advocating for minimum standards to prevent this sort of tragedy in the future. Unfortunately, this is not the first cattle guard fatality and probably won't be the last. Currently, there are likely a lot of dangerous cattle guards out there cyclists should be aware of. So until the shortcomings of cattle guard design are addressed...

... watch out for cattle guards!!!


If you would like to forward this warning to your cycling group or any other interested parties, please PM me with your email address and I will send the .jpg to you. Thanks in advance for spreading the word!
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Cattle Guard Warning

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A good friend and experienced cyclist and outdoor adventurer was killed last month while cycling in Wyoming. He was climbing an improved dirt road at probably 10 mph when he crossed the cattle guard above. His front wheel dropped into the gap in the cattle guard rails, causing him to go over the handlebars, landing on his head, causing critical injuries. Unfortunately he died moments later at the scene. Yes, he was wearing a helmet. It happened so fast; they weren't descending at high speed and taking huge risks - just out on a great bike adventure together when he's suddenly gone. So sad

Apparently, road designers, stewards and/or owners may not have a duty to provide safe passage over cattle guards for narrow bicycle wheels. The victim's friends and family are mobilizing and advocating for a standard that would ensure safe travel over cattle guards for cyclists. Advocating for minimum standards to prevent this sort of tragedy in the future. Unfortunately, this is not the first cattle guard fatality and probably won't be the last. Currently, there are likely a lot of dangerous cattle guards out there cyclists should be aware of. So until the shortcomings of cattle guard design are addressed...

... watch out for cattle guards!!!


If you would like to forward this warning to your cycling group or any other interested parties, please PM me with your email address and I will send the .jpg to you. Thanks in advance for spreading the word!
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Cattle Guard Warning

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A good friend and experienced cyclist and outdoor adventurer was killed last month while cycling in Wyoming. He was climbing an improved dirt road at probably 10 mph when he crossed the cattle guard above. His front wheel dropped into the gap in the cattle guard rails, causing him to go over the handlebars, landing on his head, causing critical injuries. Unfortunately he died moments later at the scene. Yes, he was wearing a helmet. It happened so fast; they weren't descending at high speed and taking huge risks - just out on a great bike adventure together when he's suddenly gone. So sad

Apparently, road designers, stewards and/or owners may not have a duty to provide safe passage over cattle guards for narrow bicycle wheels. The victim's friends and family are mobilizing and advocating for a standard that would ensure safe travel over cattle guards for cyclists. Advocating for minimum standards to prevent this sort of tragedy in the future. Unfortunately, this is not the first cattle guard fatality and probably won't be the last. Currently, there are likely a lot of dangerous cattle guards out there cyclists should be aware of. So until the shortcomings of cattle guard design are addressed...

... watch out for cattle guards!!!


If you would like to forward this warning to your cycling group or any other interested parties, please PM me with your email address and I will send the .jpg to you. Thanks in advance for spreading the word!
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Old 09-19-17, 02:07 PM
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Yikes. That's terrible. I've always tried to bunnyhop or at least unweight the bike as much as possible going over them. And going over them at as close to 90 degrees as possible.
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Its the Trolley tracks that most people encounter, Hazard is crossing at the wrong angle..
The in- town MUP includes planked in trestles, where you ride between them .
entering & exiting carefully on the paved ends.. at a sharp angle..

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Old 09-19-17, 02:30 PM
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Anytime I see any line paralleling my direction I do my best to stay clear. It could be a crack, the gap between concrete slabs, what you show here or just a slippery painted stripe. Rarely is it to my advantage to ride those lines and frequently there is real reason to avoid them. Good thing is that parallel lines stand out (almost always; I dropped my front tire into a crack once that ran along the shadow of the bridge handrail - even shadows can hide hazards).

Edit: add railroad tracks. I consider the right hand lanes in Portland with streetcar tracks as being off-limits to bicycles even though the city has chosen to mark them as bike lanes in the past.

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Old 09-19-17, 02:37 PM
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Not trying to be a dick, but dismounting and walking is a bad idea in road shoes, as far as I'm concerned. I'm willing to bet you're more likely to fall when walking than if you ride across at a slow speed. Yes, look for gaps, and also look for gaps that are filled with smooth metal, because those are slippery like a railroad track.


The real lesson is to be careful out there. Some cattle guards are in great condition and some are really gnarly. You never know what you're going to get, so slow down and prepare for the worst.


Sorry about your friend's crash.
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Old 09-19-17, 02:57 PM
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Wow so sorry for your loss, what a crazy thing to happen at a seemingly safe speed. I've never seen one of those, but I do mtb and understand how dangerous it could be. Thanks for sharing this.

I'm about to go for a ride that I was really getting pumped and macho about, that just helped ground me a little. I really do say a small prayer sometimes to myself when sharing the road with cars, one blink of the eye and your ran off the road.
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Old 09-19-17, 03:01 PM
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Probably a non starter.....many cattle guards are home made so there is little standardization....and to make them safe for a cyclist would make then ineffective in their purpose: preventing livestock from crossing the fence line, while not requiring a gate.
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Old 09-19-17, 03:29 PM
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Condolences to you and your friends family. It drives me nuts when I ride through the parking lot of the local mall and the drainage grates at the curb are parallel and guaranteed to catch a wheel.
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Condolences to you and your friends family. It drives me nuts when I ride through the parking lot of the local mall and the drainage grates at the curb are parallel and guaranteed to catch a wheel.

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Old 09-19-17, 06:36 PM
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One of my former neighbors had her brother killed pretty much the same way many years back out west. He was a big racer in the VT area and had went out with some friends to do the Furnace Creek 508 ultra race. He decided to take his time heading back home and stop in and visit people he knew along the way. He was riding along and had already crossed 5 or 6 cattle grates and came to the last one, I believe he had already been over it before. If I remember correctly it was on a fast descent so he had plenty of speed for everything other than fact one of the grates was broken, aka one of the pieces of metal in the grate was broken and he caught the wheel and flipped and if I remember correctly snapped his neck and he didn't make it either. He was quite well known for his racing around New England.

Having driven across cattle grate while in TX several years back I couldn't imagine riding a bike across one of those things. It would be one of the worst feeling you could ever have.
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I've driven over those, but I don't think we have any around here. My grandparents used to have one on the private driveway at their old house, but if I had the property, I'd have probably yanked it as they can also be dangerous for horses, although its purpose was to keep livestock that would have gotten loose off of an otherwise busy road.

Anyway so the issue was that the rider hit the gap between the right and left halves of the cattle guard? It sounds like a pretty fluke accident. Was it dark out?

I never even realized that they came in two halves like that, but I guess they might on a two lane road.

I've hit cracks in pavement that sent me over the bars, but never hit my head, but we are certainly exposed to a number of seemingly small dangers that can cause major harm.
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Sorry to hear of this fatal crash. I've crossed quite a few cattle guards and they do vary considerably in how harsh they feel. Hate when they suddenly appear when rounding a curve on a fast downhill. I've also seen a number of fake ones (just lines painted on the road) which apparently work once cattle have been exposed to the real ones for awhile.

On a tour along the Canadian Rockies we crossed some guards that were electrified strips laid flat on the road with small solar panels by the side for keeping the batteries charged. Hope that style becomes more popular.
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We encountered quite a few on a recent trip through cattle country. I couldn't imagine trying to ride across them.

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I don't think I have ever seen a cattle guard I could ride over. Not sure what one would look like.

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Probably a non starter.....many cattle guards are home made so there is little standardization....and to make them safe for a cyclist would make then ineffective in their purpose: preventing livestock from crossing the fence line, while not requiring a gate.
+1

Cattle guards that I've seen all seem to be on private property, so of no risk to anyone on the public road.

And, as noted in would be hard to make a bike safe guard that worked. However, forewarned is forearmed, so adding it to the list of things we need to be aware of can't hurt.

Possibly, folks could be pursueded to put up a few signs here and there in areas where there are more of them.
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It seems the issue with the cattle guard in the picture is not the cross pieces but the gap that a cycle tire could fall into.

That gap isn't required to prevent cattle from crossing. It exists to make the guard easier to make or install.
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It seems the issue with the cattle guard in the picture is not the cross pieces but the gap that a cycle tire could fall into.

That gap isn't required to prevent cattle from crossing. It exists to make the guard easier to make or install.
Yes, there's some room for improvement, but as long as they're on private property, they're still not a threat to those on the road. I see it more about education than regulation, especially since they're already there, and it's highly doubtful we'd ever get regulations covering private property in cattle country.

I've had cause to cross a few in my lifetime, and they're not like RR crossings, strictly a sub 5mph kind of a deal (for me on my road bike).
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Yes, there's some room for improvement, but as long as they're on private property, they're still not a threat to those on the road. I see it more about education than regulation, especially since they're already there, and it's highly doubtful we'd ever get regulations covering private property in cattle country.

I've had cause to cross a few in my lifetime, and they're not like RR crossings, strictly a sub 5mph kind of a deal (for me on my road bike).
I don't disagree with that.



Some people were arguing that the danger to cyclists was in the nature of the function of the grate.

In this case, it appears the danger was in the construction. That is, the dangerous gap isn't necessary to the function.

Dust on the cross bars might have been enough to cause the tire to slip. People expect metal grates and rails to be slippery when wet but dry dust is slippery too (and unexpected).

Did the rider slip on the cross bars or get trapped in the gap?
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A good friend and experienced cyclist and outdoor adventurer was killed last month while cycling in Wyoming. He was climbing an improved dirt road at probably 10 mph when he crossed the cattle guard above. His front wheel dropped into the gap in the cattle guard rails, causing him to go over the handlebars, landing on his head, causing critical injuries. Unfortunately he died moments later at the scene. Yes, he was wearing a helmet. It happened so fast; they weren't descending at high speed and taking huge risks - just out on a great bike adventure together when he's suddenly gone. So sad

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Wow. Sad news indeed and a good warning to spread.
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sorry to hear of such an innocuous crash being the cause of a death.
I have a clear memory of trying to ride over one the first time I had ever come across one in my life, riding down the west coast back in the 90s. Realized in a few seconds that walking across is the only way to go, at least on a loaded touring bike.
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The OP obvously feels stongly about this and has started multipe threads.

It might make sense to try to keep most of the comments in the same place and the one with the most posts is here in touring.
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The Op has also posted about this in Touring and Tandem.

The one on touring, here has the most posts.
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They're quite common in the interior of BC on Forrest or gravel back roads. Most, if not all, of the ones I saw didn't hav a gap in the middle. I found it easier to take them at higher speed rather than going slow.
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