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It amazes how many pedestrians and cyclists fail to look before crossing the street

Old 09-26-17, 10:51 PM
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It amazes how many pedestrians and cyclists fail to look before crossing the street

I notice it almost every time a pedestrian is crossing the street they almost always fail to look either way before crossing. They see the walk signal or green light and just assume it is safe to cross the street. I see their head looking straight forward but never moving, or looking straight down into their phones without ever looking up.

What if a driver fails to notice you crossing the street because he is talking on his or her phone, is drunk, distracted, or is in a hurry to go somewhere? What if a driver is speeding and doesn't have time to stop before running into you?

I don't understand this mentality at all. Ever since I was in grade school I would always look both ways before crossing the street. Whether walking, driving or cycling it should be done with a defensive mentality and always safety in mind. Are people so stupid and lazy they can't bother to take a few seconds to look around to be aware of their surroundings? Why would you entrust your life to complete strangers who are driving multi-ton vehicles that can kill you within a fraction of a second? All it takes is one distracted driver and you're a goner or in a wheelchair the rest of your life. Having the right of way won't protect you from drunk drivers, speeding drivers, distracted drivers, drivers who are high on drugs, drivers talking or texting on their phone, elderly drivers, youthful inexperienced drivers, drivers who are just having a bad day, the list goes on. 9 times out of 10 pedestrians and cyclists have the right of way when they are killed or injured by drivers.

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Old 09-26-17, 10:54 PM
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I'm with you.

I consider lights only to be suggestions or guidelines. Driving, cycling or walking, I eyeball cross traffic and don't move across the front until I have clear signs that they're stopping.
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Old 09-27-17, 01:38 AM
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"Look both ways" seems grossly inadequate. You need to look left, right, ahead and behind for turning cars. Any and all directions where a car or bike might approach. Looking behind when walking on the right side of the street seems to be the most important, and least often checked. Look for drivers looking for a gap to make a turn, because they are looking only for cars, not pedestrians or bikes. And then you have to watch for salmon and sidewalk riders who are not going to stop or look for anything.
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Old 09-27-17, 03:04 AM
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Might be just nature's way of solving the overpopulation problem?
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Old 09-27-17, 04:29 AM
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Originally Posted by coominya View Post
Might be just nature's way of solving the overpopulation problem?
Nah, not efficient enough... something like a flu epidemic works better.
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Old 09-27-17, 05:40 AM
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It amazes me how many people driving cars fail to yield to pedestrians.

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Old 09-27-17, 07:30 AM
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Originally Posted by northernlights View Post
I don't understand this mentality at all.
+1

I grew up in Chicago in the 1960s and understood at an early age that drivers aren't looking out for you.

In the 1980s I lived in Iowa City and then Cedar Rapids, Iowa, where drivers did generally watch out for pedestrians and encountered a preponderance of well-meaning, overly polite "niceholes" (although when walking I appreciate them more).

I now live in Colorado Springs, and "obliviot" drivers seem to be multiplying weekly. I bike commute and then walk at lunch. There is one intersection where traffic isn't expecting pedestrians, despite the crosswalks and walk signals. Before crossing I must make eye contact with cars in the right-turn lane and even then I don't trust 'em because enough of them just don't stop for me. Once I get half way across I have to turn and look behind me to make sure there are no left turning cars trying trying to fly through the intersection.

I feel much safer on my bike where I have a glasses mounted mirror and my AirZound airhorn. I often think about wearing the mirror and carrying the airhorn on my lunchtime walk.

I suppose in the future when we have self-flying vehicles, personal anti-gravpacks and multi-level traffic like in the sci-fi movie, "Time 5th Element" we will be discussing preoccupied flydestrians who "ascend" up through traffic willy-nilly without checking their real-time situ-wareness nav units. (And people will still be complaining about cyclists, who will seem even more quaint, while the future version of "hipsters" will be flying around on some sort of flying stationary "spinning" bike whose fusion-powered progress is somehow dependent on them pedaling some mechanical or virtual approximation of cranks; the most obnoxious ones "pedalling single-reactor, constant fusion units sans gravity-brakes weaving in and out of traffic in three dimensions (and possibly four) while the latest VR holo-music videos on their viso-phones blind and deafen them to the world around them.
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It all started with right turn on red... and failed when the "stop" component was ignored by drivers and LEOs.
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To be fair, if the pedestrian has the signal, we should be bashing the driver who ignored theirs. It would be like blaming someone who got t-boned going through a green light for not stopping and looking before proceeding.
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Originally Posted by jefnvk View Post
To be fair, if the pedestrian has the signal, we should be bashing the driver who ignored theirs. It would be like blaming someone who got t-boned going through a green light for not stopping and looking before proceeding.
Indeed we should be bashing the driver... And no doubt certain cities have realized that this IS a driver issue...

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Old 09-27-17, 11:07 AM
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To OP, what I find worse is cyclists running a stop at an intersection but do not look for incoming cars! I know it's a 4 way stop and they are probably going less than 10 km/h but still...
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Old 09-27-17, 01:36 PM
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I can't stand the pedestrians who are staring at their phones who just waltz into the road without slowing down. They assume they are safe because they are in the crosswalk and are legally protected.

But they never stop to remember that all the legal protections don't prevent you from getting run over by a truck. They just make the truck driver wrong after the fact.
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Old 09-28-17, 06:05 AM
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I see it all the time. It's one thing to yield, it's quite another thing to slam on the brakes to prevent hitting an idiot walks/rides directly in front of you.
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Old 09-28-17, 08:51 AM
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Originally Posted by genec View Post
Indeed we should be bashing the driver... And no doubt certain cities have realized that this IS a driver issue...


More and more similar signs are showing up in downtown Philly. Also, in the busy center city area, where there is heavy pedestrian traffic, virtually all (if not all) intersections are signed for no right turn on red.
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Originally Posted by indyfabz View Post
More and more similar signs are showing up in downtown Philly. Also, in the busy center city area, where there is heavy pedestrian traffic, virtually all (if not all) intersections are signed for no right turn on red.
Yup, it's a law few obey. A cop could make their entire "quota" in one day by watching for violators of right on red-after a stop.
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If the OP observed me walking, he might assume that I am not looking all directions before I proceed because I do everything I can to make it appear that I am not aware of the motorists around me. In fact, I am fully aware of all of them. When I exercise my right of way at unmarked crosswalks, it may appear to an untrained person that I am risking my life, but if you pay attention you will see that I always have several outs.

This strategy works well because if you look at motorists, they assume you will yield to them and will proceed accordingly. Motorist entitlement has become the norm; I refuse to accept it without a fight. However, I resist without putting myself in needless danger, although it may appear that I am to someone with a windshield perspective on road use.
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What about, how many motorists' don't pay attention to their driving.
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I wonder how many cyclists would obey the No Right on Red law if it were passed as some claim they'd like to see?


This is kind of like the Idaho Stop law. I see cyclists do it wrong all the time. They seem to think that it means that cyclists can just roll thru all stop signs at any time.
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Many are what I call smart phone zombies. They simply are not aware of what is going on around them.
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Originally Posted by mr_bill View Post
It amazes me how many people driving cars fail to yield to pedestrians.

-mr. bill

Sure was vitally important for these people to queue up at the red light.

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Old 09-29-17, 06:06 AM
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People ..... they're the worst
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An ingenious way to ensure that motorists slow down for pedestrians...



Of course the peds better be paying attention too, lest they "slip through the cracks."
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Originally Posted by coominya View Post
Might be just nature's way of solving the overpopulation problem?
I almost feel bad about laughing...

Originally Posted by genec View Post
Nah, not efficient enough... something like a flu epidemic works better.
Actually, don't laugh about this one. My sister is a paramedic in Melb. AUS where a nasty strain of flu is killing people old and young all over the place.

Originally Posted by mr_bill View Post
It amazes me how many people driving cars fail to yield to pedestrians.

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I'm not amazed at all. The average driver is rather average.

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I can't stand the pedestrians who are staring at their phones who just waltz into the road...
At least one pedestrian had to replace a phone due to my warning shout when cycling past. She dropped it in fright as I passed - luckily - behind her at 45km/h on a descent when she wandered across the road without looking.
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Originally Posted by mr_bill View Post
Pedestrian Crosswalk

Sure was vitally important for these people to queue up at the red light.

-mr. bill

Faaaaarking hell!

Remind me not to visit your home town!
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I notice it almost every time a pedestrian is crossing the street they almost always fail to look either way before crossing.
That's because most of them don't drive so they're unaware of these dangers from the drivers' standpoint.
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