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Old 11-06-17, 06:44 PM
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It seems to me that if the government really wanted to protect pedestrians and cyclists, the barriers would be better placed on the streets.
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Old 11-09-17, 09:43 PM
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Update

I have been avoiding the Greenway since they set up the barricades, but I rode out today. The state has moved the jersey barriers onto the center line running parallel to the lanes. Still sucks, but not as ridiculously badly.
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I understand the government's need to be seen to be taking some sort of action, but I'm not convinced putting barriers in the path is quite the right solution. Possibly the right thing is to do nothing.

I travel several times a year to NYC on business, and I've been enjoying that path on my recent trips. I rode the very section from Soho to Battery Park several times with friends just days prior to the attack. I even took an out-of-town business colleague by bike to visit the September 11 Memorial. It's such a nice path. Great scenery. Nice to ride. I will ride it again on my next visit.
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I have been avoiding the Greenway since they set up the barricades, but I rode out today. The state has moved the jersey barriers onto the center line running parallel to the lanes. Still sucks, but not as ridiculously badly.
Thanks, once upon a not so long ago we could rely on Gothamist to provide updates. Now it's forever (?) stuck on "City will Install 'Blockers' Along West Side Bike Path In Wake Of Deadly Terrorist Attack"

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I've calmed down. As I said, I was livid. I think a big part of that was a bit of denial of my own fear. The terror attack missed me by a mile and by a few hours, but that's still pretty close. I could have been a victim. I still think the response was too much and too late, responding to the last attack instead of the next one.

But I'm calmer now because:

1. They have made the barriers parallel to the path instead of diagonally across them.

2. It is actually a useful way to keep motor vehicles out

3. While bollards or other measures might be better, I can accept them as a temporary solution, even though I think they are unnecessary. We can't all be completely happy.
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Originally Posted by mr_bill View Post
Thanks, once upon a not so long ago we could rely on Gothamist to provide updates. Now it's forever (?) stuck on "City will Install 'Blockers' Along West Side Bike Path In Wake Of Deadly Terrorist Attack"

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The story I heard is that the writers for Gothamist and DNAInfo started to form a union, and the owner shut them down. It is illegal for an employer to block the formation of a union, but it's legal to shut your business down. Now, if he opens up new publications, does that get into a gray area?
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I still think the response was too much and too late, responding to the last attack instead of the next one.
It's WAY too late. Next month is a decade. Placing the jersey barriers diagonally across the path was beyond stupid, it was spiteful. Luckily it was undone by people who properly called out the people pretending to be knuckleheads.

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The story I heard is that the writers for Gothamist and DNAInfo started to form a union, and the owner shut them down. It is illegal for an employer to block the formation of a union, but it's legal to shut your business down. Now, if he opens up new publications, does that get into a gray area?
These two articles, one in New York Books and one in Slate do a great job in covering what happened.

Frankly, keeping in touch with places that you still call home is hard enough these days.

And these reporters are *tenacious* in writing about people who ride bikes, partly because several of them are people who ride bikes.

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Thank you for those strong words criticizing the city/state. They make me feel better. And thanks for the citations. I'll read those articles. It is yet another bad month for honest journalism.
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FWIW, any vehicle that made it over the 24" curbs is going to make it over the Jersey Barrier next to the curb too (this is a case of belt OR suspenders, but not both), but the blaze orange and blinky lights are nice:

twitter.com/Shmuli/status/927640372133744641

This is great activism by post it notes (on the diagonal ones that remain):

twitter.com/jooltman/status/927626141162246149

(There are even greater activism by post it notes, but they aren't safe for work.)

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Old 11-10-17, 01:28 PM
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So, the K Rail (or Jersey Barrier, or whatever), is just being placed where the pathway crosses/intersects streets. Normally, there'd be nothing at all unusual about this, except that in this case, it's in response to some ****** nugget who went on a lethal rampage down the bike path.
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The next terror attack will not be on the Greenway. They can hit you anywhere on the streets, or sidewalks, or in a park...
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I rode on the Hudson Greenway yesterday and saw so many concrete barriers.... at every possible intersection, and even at the entrance to the Battery Park City on the N. Esplanade there were two giant cube barriers. Not sure if those two cubes were only for July 4th when there were firework-watching crowds or they were always there. The ride felt a little like a circus animal training : Sometimes the one-way passage was completely blocked by a group of pedestrians so I had to pass on the wrong side.

It seems a stupid idea with good intention. There are still infinite other ways for terrorists to attack and kill. Must have been quite a task to haul all those heavy concrete barriers over and distribute along the Greenway.
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There are new stainless steel bollards at around 40 St. Perhaps there is a plan to replace all those concrete barriers with these new bollards. It would be a welcome improvement. The concrete ones were put down hastily in response to the terrorist attack.
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There are new stainless steel bollards at around 40 St. Perhaps there is a plan to replace all those concrete barriers with these new bollards. It would be a welcome improvement. The concrete ones were put down hastily in response to the terrorist attack.
Came from a ride down the Greenway to Battery park and back. On the way back there appeared a detour near the Cruise Terminal (a few blocks north from the 42nd St.). Excavator was digging a hole the pathway. Hopefully they are installing the bollards to replace the concrete blocks.
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