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Old 01-31-18, 12:06 PM   #51
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Why not?

Don't you do the same hyping routine with every optimistic (only optimistic!) press release you can find on the Internet that you can spin into your fanciful predictions about the imminent arrival of inexpensive driver less vehicles available for safely transporting passengers at bargain prices, presumably all the while making profits for the organizations producing, owning and/or operating these miracle vehicles?
No, I don't do the same.

And even if I did...

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Really? You draw that conclusion from a single event among thousands of safe passes of cyclists by AVs, during a beta test of a Nissan AV from almost a year ago?
the head of development of that autonomous car happily let it pass a cyclist far too closely. This is on a low traffic two lane road where another lane was available. The head of the entire effort. So yeah, u gonna die.
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the head of development of that autonomous car happily let it pass a cyclist far too closely. This is on a low traffic two lane road where another lane was available. The head of the entire effort. So yeah, u gonna die.
Nissan is barely on the radar of companies at the forefront of AV technology. It's all in the R&D stage. Of the myriad issues facing each AV company, getting bicyclist passing and treatment in general is probably not at the top of the list, but it will be handled properly long before production. They can't afford the marketing nightmare of hitting a pedestrian or bicyclist.
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the R&D phase is probably the most dangerous, since they are out on the roads with unproven software. Like this video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zGoE...ature=youtu.be
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Old 02-01-18, 07:43 PM   #55
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the R&D phase is probably the most dangerous, since they are out on the roads with unproven software. Like this video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zGoE...ature=youtu.be
Phantom AI ?? Who is that?

I see they're very new, near the bottom of the list of companies with permission to test in California.

https://www.dmv.ca.gov/portal/dmv/de...nomous/testing

But even this most dangerous period is proving to be safer than human driving, mile for mile.
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So, identical to the majority of human drivers who consistently display more care for paint than fellow road users?
Simple and succinct.
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It's seems that many of these thread morph into a similar version of a similar argument, which in turn suggests that it's


a) misunderstood
b) not comprehended
c) annoying
d) all that the your little dog too!


I don't even understand how this got to be a thing here and I try to see what the thread are about but I often bail shrugging my shoulders.


Why not start a site about driverless cars and let's all get a new bike?


Bikes are damned neat-o!
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Old 02-05-18, 12:19 PM   #58
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It's seems that many of these thread morph into a similar version of a similar argument, which in turn suggests that it's


a) misunderstood
b) not comprehended
c) annoying
d) all that the your little dog too!


I don't even understand how this got to be a thing here and I try to see what the thread are about but I often bail shrugging my shoulders.


Why not start a site about driverless cars and let's all get a new bike?


Bikes are damned neat-o!
Driverless cars will affect every aspect of our lives perhaps more than any other technology has. Two aspects that will be affected greatly are cycling safety and getting more people on bikes (advocacy). That's why these discussions are here.
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Driverless cars will affect every aspect of our lives perhaps more than any other technology has. Two aspects that will be affected greatly are cycling safety and getting more people on bikes (advocacy). That's why these discussions are here.
Perhaps you should consider prefacing your assumptions with an occasional "IF" or "in my opinion", so as not to seem so star-struck by the PR hype.
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Semi-autonomous BMW will ?fight driver? to deliver close passes of cyclists | road.cc

when I first saw this story, I thought the problem was that it didn't detect cyclists. But now I realize it's just worrying about going over the lane line more than it worries about passing distance. My toyota would brake in this situation. Of course, it will not do lane following at 25mph or less, so it might not come up.
I knew this was going to happen.

When I originally said it, back when autonomous vehicles were brought to market. People said the autonomous vehicles would be safer than human-driven vehicles.

Now they have to eat crow.
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I knew this was going to happen.

When I originally said it, back when autonomous vehicles were brought to market. People said the autonomous vehicles would be safer than human-driven vehicles.

Now they have to eat crow.
You're conflating these driver-assist systems with autonomous vehicles. Not the same!!!
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You're conflating these driver-assist systems with autonomous vehicles. Not the same!!!
A lot of folks are doing that... including the drivers of two crashed Teslas... who apparently didn't bother to read the manual.

The semismart cars are causing all sorts of grief, as their required human drivers fail to maintain control, and blame the car.

There needs to be a huge sign in these things, right on the dashboard... "Warning, human driver required to maintain control."
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Driverless cars will affect every aspect of our lives perhaps more than any other technology has. Two aspects that will be affected greatly are cycling safety and getting more people on bikes (advocacy). That's why these discussions are here.

I don't know about that.
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I don't know about that.
Well, I don't know that either, of course. But I'm quite confident that's where it's going. However, I was also confident Trump wouldn't win the primary, let alone the general...
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Semi-autonomous still means the operator wasn't doing their job.
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Semi-autonomous still means the operator wasn't doing their job.
Exactly. I'm surprised there isn't even more carnage from semi-autonomous.

Years ago Google observed human drivers getting so lackadaisical in their semi-autonomous cars that they abandoned that approach and decided to go straight to Level 4/5.
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