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Old 11-29-17, 08:38 PM
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Local news warning; Cyclist using Video

Not the best written story, but it gets the warning across to the road ragers.

Bicyclists use mounted cameras to document perils of the road - Hawaii News Now - KGMB and KHNL
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I don't expect my video camera to deter raging cagers. I only hope it will tell the police what happened when I end up in the ER or morgue.

Surveillance video cameras are common in some areas and have been for years. Judging from the idiocy of criminals it hasn't been much of a deterrent. It only helps identify the perps for later prosecution.
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Use your camera. Regardless of whether you think it is worth it, or not.
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Apparently there are changes to the "General Data Protection Regulations" (GDPR) in Ireland coming in 2018, which (I've heard on the news) makes using any dashcam (or, I suspect, any video recording device) somewhat problematic with regards to people's personal images, with issues around consent to use a person's image, and so on. It's meant to affect CCTV, but it is clearly going to affect anyone using any video recording device anywhere in public.

For example, I may need to create some sort of GDPR "policy" as I have a dashcam in my work van. I'm sure there's a template on the web somewhere; I'm not too worried about it.

It also means (again, according to the news report I heard on the radio) if someone sees they're being recorded on a dashcam or similar, they can request their image is deleted. Of course, my "policy" is going to state they must make such a request in writing (haha)... but in any case, since all my dashcams and cycling camera have "loop" recording, all images are deleted automatically.

I really don't see how this is going to work in our already incredibly inefficient court system. How can someone have an expectation of privacy in a public domain?

Food for thought, to be aware of what ridiculous legislation may be enacted in your area.
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I don't expect my video camera to deter raging cagers. I only hope it will tell the police what happened when I end up in the ER or morgue.
New tombstone caption: "He had the right of way, as you can see on his youtube channel"
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When videos of the offenders get on TV, it will be a great message to the would be road ragers. Any cyclist that is attacked should make their video available to the local press.
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I don't expect my video camera to deter raging cagers.
Yet the cyclist noted in the story that the shirtless road rager stopped advancing on him when he realized he was on video. Another assault stopped cold.

My camera has had the same effect on road ragers, plus the mace gun doubled the effect.
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Years ago, when smart phones were all the rage I still had a flip phone with no camera. I honked at a car that came too close (I have an AirZound airhorn). The driver stopped and walked towards me in a threatening manner yelling something incomprehensible. I pulled out my camera-less phone, flipped it open and pointed it at him. He stopped, turned around and drove off.
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I have been think of getting some sort of camera that I can wear while riding and put on my car's dash.

Just be aware, there are also plenty of youtube videos of stupid cyclists and cyclists who violate traffic laws.

So if you don't want your own face on a youtube video of stupid cyclists, you better make sure you obey all the laws (regardless of what you think that traffic laws don't apply to cyclists).
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Originally Posted by ridelikeaturtle View Post
Apparently there are changes to the "General Data Protection Regulations" (GDPR) in Ireland coming in 2018, which (I've heard on the news) makes using any dashcam (or, I suspect, any video recording device) somewhat problematic with regards to people's personal images, with issues around consent to use a person's image, and so on. It's meant to affect CCTV, but it is clearly going to affect anyone using any video recording device anywhere in public.

For example, I may need to create some sort of GDPR "policy" as I have a dashcam in my work van. I'm sure there's a template on the web somewhere; I'm not too worried about it.

It also means (again, according to the news report I heard on the radio) if someone sees they're being recorded on a dashcam or similar, they can request their image is deleted. Of course, my "policy" is going to state they must make such a request in writing (haha)... but in any case, since all my dashcams and cycling camera have "loop" recording, all images are deleted automatically.

I really don't see how this is going to work in our already incredibly inefficient court system. How can someone have an expectation of privacy in a public domain?

Food for thought, to be aware of what ridiculous legislation may be enacted in your area.
Laws are always put in place when there is a problem that can't or won't be solved anytime soon.

I tend to agree though, good luck with enforcement.

Its meant to protect those in power, not the public.
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My camera has had the same effect on road ragers, plus the mace gun doubled the effect.
Have you ever posted any of your videos here?

I'd like to see some of your examples of how your camera stopped hostile behavior.
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Have you ever posted any of your videos here?

I'd like to see some of your examples of how your camera stopped hostile behavior.
You cannot really post a video directly here and I am not interested in signing up for a YouTube Channel.

Now that I am retired, I no longer cycle during rush hour for the most part. That has significantly reduced such road rager contact to almost none.

My more serious encounters have been very much like the shirtless guy in the news article. Road rager gets out of the car/truck, you point to the camera and road rager runs back to car/truck.

Another method is watch for motorist in the mirror lining up for a close pass, hold out the wrist mounted camera for them to see and they stop the close pass. This still happens about once a week.

There was a CDL Cement truck driver that did not see the camera and intentionally forced me off the road. After I caught up to him at a red light and pointed to the camera, he pulled off the road and begged for my forgiveness. He must have had prior bad acts and my video would cost him his job.

There is the famous Colorado video that got the State police to end a road ragers harassment of cyclist.


While most states are more advanced in their domestic abuse laws by allowing the police to file the complaint, Hawaii still requires the victim to file or nothing will happen. Last week, I videoed a homeless guy punching his girl repeatedly in the face. Sadly, the video will go to waste and this violent guy will still be camping out next to the bike path.

Of course there are still some road ragers that just cannot help themselves even though they know they are on video.
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Originally Posted by salcedo View Post
New tombstone caption: "He had the right of way, as you can see on his youtube channel"
Or he did everything right and effectively applied self defense.

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Or he did everything right and effectively applied self defense.
I would have totally shaken his hand

Edit: It is a very cool video, but I don't think the camera did much for him in terms of deterrence (definitely proves that the other guy was an ass and he was using self defense in case the matter goes to court)

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Originally Posted by BobbyG View Post
Years ago, when smart phones were all the rage I still had a flip phone with no camera. I honked at a car that came too close (I have an AirZound airhorn). The driver stopped and walked towards me in a threatening manner yelling something incomprehensible. I pulled out my camera-less phone, flipped it open and pointed it at him. He stopped, turned around and drove off.
I used to take pictures of drivers looking like they weren't going to stop when I was legally walking in a well marked intersection by my old office. The cops had put up a bright yellow sign that said state law requires stopping for pedestrians in the crosswalk or something similar. Drivers reactions usually went from "f you" to "OMG he's going to take my picture when I know I'm breaking the law" in an instant, and most of the time I wasn't able to actually take a picture. But the threat was enough, and there's a traffic light at that intersection now that eliminates most of the problems I had there.
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I would have totally shaken his hand

Edit: It is a very cool video, but I don't think the camera did much for him in terms of deterrence (definitely proves that the other guy was an ass and he was using self defense in case the matter goes to court)
Agreed, but he mounted his camera on his handlebars where it cannot be seen from behind. For deterrence, the cameras need to be mounted on the helmet and wrist.
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Video cameras these days are great. If there is an accident that goes to court, juries that are 99% drivers and no cyclist, simply cannot ignore video. Altho going to trial would be kind of dump in the light of video showing the driver was a fault.
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Video cameras these days are great. If there is an accident that goes to court, juries that are 99% drivers and no cyclist, simply cannot ignore video. Altho going to trial would be kind of dump in the light of video showing the driver was a fault.
It does not need to go to court to be useful.
On Sep 18 a fool in a pickup truck knocked my motorcycle out from under me, totaling it.
The cop ticketed the driver for "failure to yield right of way", based on testimony of motorist following me.
(I was on a through street; Truck was at a cross street with a stop sign.)
Once I sent the link to the video to both insurance companies, they instantly agreed on who's fault it was.

When I sent the link to the cop, he was fuming because the video clearly showed the truck running the stop sign, and the driver had made a written statement that he had stopped for it. (I don't know if the cop added an additional charge.)
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I was involved in an incident recently with someone i know. He didn't see me coming, pulled out on me at a junction, driving like a joy-rider. I had my child on the back.
I don't really ride on roads, we have a very comprehensive cycleway system here, but this was by the shop in the neighbourhood.

He went on the attack because he was worried i'd go telling folk. I hadn't even recognised him, i was just focused on the car he was driving. It's been a challenge for our friends, not knowing whether to believe his lies or my truth, but the fact i had right of way seems to have swung it.

How i wished i had it on video. A quick upload to Facebook and his dirty selfish back-stabbing antics would be exposed for everyone in his life to see.

Ah well...
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Originally Posted by Shimagnolo View Post
It does not need to go to court to be useful.
On Sep 18 a fool in a pickup truck knocked my motorcycle out from under me, totaling it.
The cop ticketed the driver for "failure to yield right of way", based on testimony of motorist following me.
(I was on a through street; Truck was at a cross street with a stop sign.)
Once I sent the link to the video to both insurance companies, they instantly agreed on who's fault it was.

When I sent the link to the cop, he was fuming because the video clearly showed the truck running the stop sign, and the driver had made a written statement that he had stopped for it. (I don't know if the cop added an additional charge.)
Was there any doubt as to who was at fault in this collision? The driver was already ticketed for failure to yield right of way to you on the through street.

The video evidence hardly seems necessary to support your insurance claims, and the "fuming cop" story seems pretty weird as well as irrelevant to your reimbursement from the insurance companies. The issue is the pickup driver's failure to yield right of way caused the collision and whether he stopped first or not is irrelevant.
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When I sent the link to the cop, he was fuming because the video clearly showed the truck running the stop sign, and the driver had made a written statement that he had stopped for it. (I don't know if the cop added an additional charge.)
There used to be a cop here who just absolutely loved tacking a false statement charge on top of anything else they happened to get whenever it was blatantly and provably false. Said he had no problem with "I don't remember," or "I'd rather not answer that until I speak with my attorney," but if they flat out lied and he could prove it, he'd hand the DA an easy extra charge.
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You cannot really post a video directly here and I am not interested in signing up for a YouTube Channel.

Now that I am retired, I no longer cycle during rush hour for the most part. That has significantly reduced such road rager contact to almost none.

My more serious encounters have been very much like the shirtless guy in the news article. Road rager gets out of the car/truck, you point to the camera and road rager runs back to car/truck.

Another method is watch for motorist in the mirror lining up for a close pass, hold out the wrist mounted camera for them to see and they stop the close pass. This still happens about once a week.

There was a CDL Cement truck driver that did not see the camera and intentionally forced me off the road. After I caught up to him at a red light and pointed to the camera, he pulled off the road and begged for my forgiveness. He must have had prior bad acts and my video would cost him his job.

There is the famous Colorado video that got the State police to end a road ragers harassment of cyclist.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yERedxJSfVs

While most states are more advanced in their domestic abuse laws by allowing the police to file the complaint, Hawaii still requires the victim to file or nothing will happen. Last week, I videoed a homeless guy punching his girl repeatedly in the face. Sadly, the video will go to waste and this violent guy will still be camping out next to the bike path.

Of course there are still some road ragers that just cannot help themselves even though they know they are on video.
I don't really post here much anymore, however it is easy enough to post a link to a file. (mp4, mov, ogv, should playback in most modern browsers)

Youtube sucks, I never had an account there, and never will, they make what should be a simple task, all too complicated.

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