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Old 12-07-17, 03:30 AM   #26
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And, since this technology uses radar it works equally as well at night even with the lights out but... can you fall asleep and have it wake you up when arrive at your destination?
Nope. Not ready for prime time yet.
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Old 12-07-17, 07:04 AM   #27
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Telsa autopilot looks to be very polite compared to the average jerk on the roads these days.
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Old 12-07-17, 11:25 AM   #28
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And, since this technology uses radar it works equally as well at night even with the lights out but... can you fall asleep and have it wake you up when arrive at your destination?
Haven't you ever arrived at a destination with people (you or others) sleeping in a car? Everyone automatically wakes up.

That said, it would be trivial for the ride hailing service car that takes you to your destination to alert you when you've arrived.
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Old 12-07-17, 11:36 AM   #29
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Almost sounds like Boeing(yoke) vs. Airbus(sidestick).

All the more reason I don't trust 100% automation in vehicles.
Since safe vehicle operation is simpler than safe airplane operation, automated safe vehicle operation is easier to implement than automated flying.

In the end, there are only two outputs in a motor vehicle to control: speed and direction. Every few milliseconds the "brain" has to decide the desired speed and direction based on destination and current traffic situation. The dumb and simple subsystems do what needs to be done, if anything, to achieve that speed and direction (brake, accelerate or coast; adjust steering right or left or maintain course).

The challenge of course is recognizing everything that needs to be recognized to make prudent speed and direction decisions. Waymo has over four million miles testing such decision-making technology on the roads, and many millions more in simulators. Of course they're not perfect, but I'm confident these systems are far better at recognizing what needs to be recognized than human drivers are.
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I'm not surprised that the safe driving techniques are met with skepticism.

When driving, I've been honked at:
1) when the traffic light turned green;
2) for stopping at a red light;
3) for stopping to let a pedestrian cross;

I've been passed on the wrong side of the road for following a slow moving vehicle, like a bus or a truck.

And once when I was on a bicycle, a motorist almost created a head-on collision by passing me on the wrong side of a curved road.

Self-driving vehicles or vehicles in auto-pilot won't do these things and drivers hate it.
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Haven't you ever arrived at a destination with people (you or others) sleeping in a car? Everyone automatically wakes up.

That said, it would be trivial for the ride hailing service car that takes you to your destination to alert you when you've arrived.
Tesla a ride-hailing service car...? That would be a stretch Tesla.
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Old 12-07-17, 12:53 PM   #32
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Tesla a ride-hailing service car...? That would be a stretch Tesla.
Current Teslas are Level 2 and not candidates for self-driving ride-hailing services.

I think the ride-hailing service Level 5 cars (no steering wheels) are more likely to be Waymos, Volvos and various cars perhaps with Apple AV technology. But I wouldn't rule out Tesla from targeting that market too.
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Since safe vehicle operation is simpler than safe airplane operation, automated safe vehicle operation is easier to implement than automated flying.

In the end, there are only two outputs in a motor vehicle to control: speed and direction. Every few milliseconds the "brain" has to decide the desired speed and direction based on destination and current traffic situation. The dumb and simple subsystems do what needs to be done, if anything, to achieve that speed and direction (brake, accelerate or coast; adjust steering right or left or maintain course).

The challenge of course is recognizing everything that needs to be recognized to make prudent speed and direction decisions. Waymo has over four million miles testing such decision-making technology on the roads, and many millions more in simulators. Of course they're not perfect, but I'm confident these systems are far better at recognizing what needs to be recognized than human drivers are.
I wonder in their four million miles, just how many deer they have encountered, how many cows, how many elk crossing a road... as well dogs?
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Is that Joshua Brown?
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I wonder in their four million miles, just how many deer they have encountered, how many cows, how many elk crossing a road... as well dogs?
Well, Volvo is testing on Australian rural roads.

www.theguardian.com/technology/2017/jul/01/volvo-admits-its-self-driving-cars-are-confused-by-kangaroos


Whatever the peculiar issues with kangaroos, I have to believe self-driving cars are better at noticing and reacting to suddenly-crossing wildlife than human drivers.
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