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Old 12-05-17, 09:52 PM   #1
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Tesla Autopilot and cyclists [video]

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Old 12-06-17, 07:41 AM   #2
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Not confidence inspiring.
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How so? It looked like a considerate pass.
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Old 12-06-17, 08:19 AM   #4
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15 seconds later: "Whoa, whoa! Where's the corner?"
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15 seconds later: "Whoa, whoa! Where's the corner?"
Looks like it knows. What's the problem?
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25 mph on a clear road. What about 40 mph in traffic?
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25 mph on a clear road. What about 40 mph in traffic?
I would think you'd have auto pilot turned off in that situation, but IDK.
I wonder if it blocks auto pilot form being engaged in certain situations...It would have to, really.
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Not confidence inspiring.
I have always felt that way this technology. I don't trust it.
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Old 12-06-17, 12:25 PM   #9
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Yeah, and not a real self driving car... in spite of folks thinking and pushing it in that direction.

"Autopilot" is meant for limited access freeway use... with a competent driver at the helm.
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I have always felt that way this technology. I don't trust it.
It's not about whether you can trust it. The alternative is human drivers whom we know we can't trust. The question is which can be trusted more (or less)?

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Old 12-06-17, 12:42 PM   #11
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First of all, I'm pleasantly surprised Tesla's Level II AutoPilot technology already does this well with bicyclists.

Secondly, I note that the human soon-to-be-former (thankfully) driver is astonished by proper bicyclist passing driver behavior. His astonishment exemplifies exactly why we will be are SO MUCH safer with computers operating rather than human drivers behind the wheel.
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It's not about whether you can trust it. The alternative is human drivers which we know we can't trust. The question is which can be trusted more (or less)?
Well, not the existing Tesla "Autopilot." It is nothing more than advanced cruise control... and used in this manner and touted on the net, it will give true Autonomous Vehicles a bad name...

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Out of the more than 90,000 vehicles with Autopilot 2.0 hardware in Tesla’s global fleet, the owners of about 77% of them have purchased ‘Enhanced Autopilot’ and ~40% have purchased ‘Fully Self-Driving Capability’, sources familiar with the matter told Electrek.

It means that over 35,000 Tesla vehicle owners have purchased the $3,000 ‘Fully Self-Driving Capability’, which is simply not yet released and Tesla doesn’t say when it plans to release it.

The automaker warns that the feature is “dependent upon extensive software validation and regulatory approval, which may vary greatly vary by jurisdiction.”
https://electrek.co/2017/10/10/tesla...ng-capability/

IE... NOT READY FOR PRIME TIME!
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Well, not the existing Tesla "Autopilot." It is nothing more than advanced cruise control... and used in this manner and touted on the net, it will give true Autonomous Vehicles a bad name...


https://electrek.co/2017/10/10/tesla...ng-capability/

IE... NOT READY FOR PRIME TIME!
I'm generally with you, and yet I'm pleasantly surprised it handled the bicyclist pass as well as it did. I think Autopilot is probably far better than where it was 18 months ago when it drove into that truck and killed the too-trusting driver in Florida.

While I remain skeptical and critical of Tesla's approach, the apparent dearth of reported problems since then is very promising. perhaps Elon made the right call after all.
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A manual driver would have been travelling at 30 or 40mph on that road and passed the cyclist at 50 without changing lanes. Then on the curve, would have slid off the road.
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A manual driver would have been travelling at 30 or 40mph on that road and passed the cyclist at 50 without changing lanes. Then on the curve, would have slid off the road.
But it's computer drivers we can't trust!!!

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I'm skeptical of any company that announces that they don't have the software to make it work yet, but rest assured that all the necessary hardware is already in your vehicle ready for the eventual download.
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It's not about whether you can trust it. The alternative is human drivers whom we know we can't trust. The question is which can be trusted more (or less)?
I don't trust it. Because it implies that a 2yr.-old could use it. Resulting in the possibility of too much reliance on it, and the driver not paying enough attention. So much so, that a driver could get away with a DUI/DWI. Because the car would be relied on to do the driving.
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I don't trust it. Because it implies that a 2yr.-old could use it. Resulting in the possibility of too much reliance on it, and the driver not paying enough attention. So much so, that a driver could get away with a DUI/DWI. Because the car would be relied on to do the driving.
The whole point is a 2 year old COULD use it. You buckle the kid in, and send the car to the nursery school.

Of course, that would be a Level 5 car. But we're really really close to that. Albeit Tesla's Level II AutoPilot is not that, of course.
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I'm skeptical of any company that announces that they don't have the software to make it work yet, but rest assured that all the necessary hardware is already in your vehicle ready for the eventual download.
They've been doing that, reliably and successfully, for years.
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The whole point is a 2 year old COULD use it. You buckle the kid in, and send the car to the nursery school.

Of course, that would be a Level 5 car. But we're really really close to that. Albeit Tesla's Level II AutoPilot is not that, of course.
The FAA n' NTSB already say that airline pilots' rely too much on the Autopilot.

I am sure the NTSB will eventually say the same thing about self-driving vehicles.
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25 mph on a clear road. What about 40 mph in traffic?
I would think you'd have auto pilot turned off in that situation, but IDK.
I wonder if it blocks auto pilot form being engaged in certain situations...It would have to, really.
I've heard it works great on freeways at speed and in stop and go traffic.
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The FAA n' NTSB already say that airline pilots' rely too much on the Autopilot.

I am sure the NTSB will eventually say the same thing about self-driving vehicles.
Everyone realizes the problem with partial automation. That's why there is a big push for Level 4 and Level 5 (no steering wheel).
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Everyone realizes the problem with partial automation. That's why there is a big push for Level 4 and Level 5 (no steering wheel).
This made me google the Woody Allen movie Sleeper
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Everyone realizes the problem with partial automation. That's why there is a big push for Level 4 and Level 5 (no steering wheel).
Almost sounds like Boeing(yoke) vs. Airbus(sidestick).

All the more reason I don't trust 100% automation in vehicles.
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And, since this technology uses radar it works equally as well at night even with the lights out but... can you fall asleep and have it wake you up when arrive at your destination?
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