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Old 12-09-17, 07:17 AM
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Please get off the road when you see a school bus

I drive a school bus and I have come on this forum ask cyclist who rides bikes on one lane roads ( esp country roads) to please pull off the road and stand on the side so school buses can pass you safely, so we do not have to put children in harms way by going into the opposite lane of traffic on the other side of the road to pass you. Please remember Buses are wider and do take up all the one side of a lane. Many of you I assume have children, so please, I am asking you do this for the children!

thank you, have a good blessed holiday and be safe
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Old 12-09-17, 07:34 AM
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You seem to have lost sight of the fact that bicycles have the same right of travel that you do!

Show a little respect, and common courtesy!
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Old 12-09-17, 07:40 AM
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If there is a save shoulder for me I'll pull over but if not... Pass when it's safe or you just have to wait. Laws are laws.
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Old 12-09-17, 07:45 AM
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As a cyclist who is in actual danger when a bus passes, unlike the bus's occupants who are encased in a gigantic brightly-colored steel safety cell, I have to respectfully ask bus drivers to pull off the road and let cyclists by.

I have just adapted my schedule to include a morning ride---sadly, at the peak of rush hour, which includes school rush hour. I would vastly prefer Not to ride rush hour, but with my schedule it is often morning rush hour or no ride at all. And since I have spent so many years commuting (often necessarily during rush hour) I feel that I can cope.

I see a Lot of school buses. Also, since I seek out narrower, less-traveled (and thus generally safer) roads, i end up in the situation which the OP describes.

For some reason, none of the bus drivers who pass me seem to need to risk the lives of Anyone. Somehow we all manage to share the road.

If the OP puts "children in harms way by going into the opposite lane of traffic" .... well that sort of speaks to the driver's sensibilities, no?

I have to assume that the driver means that s/he has to go around the cyclist, but does Not put the children in harm's way, because the driver only overtakes it when it is safe.

In which case ... what's this thread about?
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Old 12-09-17, 07:46 AM
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I don't ride in traffic a lot, so take my comments for what they are worth.
But if you pass when it's not safe it is you putting the kids in harm's way, not the person on the bicycle.

Or am I missing something?
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Old 12-09-17, 07:55 AM
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I have to say that I completely avoid riding out on the road when school buses are travelling. I have been almost hit, run off the road, pushed off the road to only have it stop right in front of me, and most recently cussed for going around a bus that almost killed me to pull into the turn off lane I was in to then pull to a stop and let kids off. You people are a nuisance.
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Old 12-09-17, 08:05 AM
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Yes I would be glad to consider that courtesy, but only if you and your fellow school bus drivers refrained from:
  • passing me and then immediately stopping,
  • entering intersections where I both have the right of way and am moving fast enough to have brake to avoid colliding,
  • initiating a reasonable pass but pulling back before clearing me,
  • laying on your horn and bumping me because I am in front of you at an intersection waiting to cross and am impeding your ability to turn right.
  • allowing your passengers to throw things out the window at me.
Also consider that I run video cameras front and rear (as do other cyclists) so making a decision to do something that puts me in jeopardy will be reported. Nevertheless, let's be partners on the road, ok?
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Old 12-09-17, 08:07 AM
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Do you have a loudspeaker announcing yourself as a school bus when you come up behind cyclists?
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Old 12-09-17, 08:11 AM
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Yeah, there’s no reason school busses cannot safely pass cyclists, just as all other motor vehicles do, including semi trucks, cement mixers, and city busses.
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Old 12-09-17, 08:24 AM
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I appreciate that school buses have to travel on roads that aren't otherwise regularly used by large vehicles. And I move off the road if I think it's necessary. For one thing I want kids to see that cyclists are safe and courteous.

I've noticed that buses tend to pass me closer than other vehicles. Maybe it has something to do with the design of a bus, its mirrors, or something. Or maybe bus and truck drivers receive different training.

On the other hand, you can tell which city buses have the most experienced drivers, because of how they maneuver in traffic and intersections, and the best drivers also tend to give bikes the most clearance.
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Old 12-09-17, 08:32 AM
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With such predictable responses to a suggestion that borders on the absurd, one has to wonder about the intent of the OP.
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Old 12-09-17, 08:35 AM
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I doubt the OP is ever coming back to read all these comments, so to the OP I say "Wow", you can't be serious? The OP's view and statement is wrong on so many levels I wouldn't know where to start.
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Old 12-09-17, 09:20 AM
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I live (and ride, and drive) on two lane, narrow country roads. Never once have I had a School Bus consider their speed and the fact that they impede the normal flow of traffic with constant starting and stopping while I and others drive our kids to school and ourselves to work. On my way to work, behind one, it will stop & load kids. Wait until they are seated, then finally move forward for 50 yards, or even driveway to driveway and stop again. This is repeated over 1/4 mile stretch. Only to be repeated shortly down the road.
Never seen one give a concern as to MY need to drive my vehicle or consideration for anyone else's schedule.
By law, I cannot pass them except in a passing zone, and then only if it is safe. According to NC law, a motor vehicle can pass a cyclist, even on a double yellow line, again, if it is safe. Cyclists, in spite of the general public's mindset, do not cause delays of any consequence. School buses on the other hand...
(I suspect the OP is in the camp of many motorist who default to "outrage that cyclist is even out here!" mentality.)

I agree with others, if passing a cyclists endangers the passengers on a bus, or any other vehicle for that matter, it is the driver of the vehicle that is endangering the passengers. A bicycle is just another vehicle on the road. If the OP endangers their cargo, they should look for another line of work.


And while I'm at it, I believe school buses have outlived their original intended use. Nowadays, even most families who would be considered poor have a car. I watch daily as kids sit in the car with their parents, waiting on the bus to pick them up. Whereupon they exit THEIR PARENT'S CAR and board the bus. People find a way to get to town and the store and buy food, beer, and other "necessities" or otherwise conduct their daily business. I believe if no buses existed, they'd find a way to get their kids to school. It is apparent that in a lot of cases, if not most, the school bus is a "convenience" but no longer a necessity. And I have no context of the cost to taxpayers but I'm sure nationwide its in the multiple billions $.
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Old 12-09-17, 09:32 AM
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@thetruth74 is ignorant of the most fundamental rules of the road and should not be driving a car, let alone a bus full of children.


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Old 12-09-17, 09:38 AM
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Originally Posted by WNCGoater View Post


And while I'm at it, I believe school buses have outlived their original intended use. Nowadays, even most families who would be considered poor have a car. I watch daily as kids sit in the car with their parents, waiting on the bus to pick them up. Whereupon they exit THEIR PARENT'S CAR and board the bus.
Ironically, that's probably more true in rural and suburban areas, where the need for buses had historically been greater. I live in a rural area and it is funny to see the lines of cars idling at every school bus stop. But my commute takes me through an economically depressed urban area where a lot more folks don't have cars. And although the distances aren't long, the traffic volumes and other conditions often make it too hazardous for younger kids to walk to school.
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Can we please now join in song?


Hail to the Bus Driver Man
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@thetruth74 is ignorant of the most fundamental rules of the road and should not be driving a car, let alone a bus full of children. -Tim-

+1
Go turn in your Commercial Driver's License @thetruth74 - you obviously slept through the part about driving.
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The only time I have been forced off the road was by a school bus which then stopped 10 yards later to drop off a kid. So I'm standing in a driveway with a mom waiting to receive her kid. Since that incident I follow the OPs advice and get behind busses whenever possible. Getting kids home safely is important but school bus drivers in my area give no room to cyclists, I dread the long,close yellow pass.
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Wow! I'm with the bus driver on this one. You guys are a buch of jackweeds.

You know what my wife says when she sees a group of cyclists on the road, "Idiots"!
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Originally Posted by big chainring View Post
Wow! I'm with the bus driver on this one. You guys are a buch of jackweeds.

You know what my wife says when she sees a group of cyclists on the road, "Idiots"!
There is nothing awesome about that comment.
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Old 12-09-17, 10:51 AM
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Originally Posted by jon c. View Post
Ironically, that's probably more true in rural and suburban areas, where the need for buses had historically been greater. I live in a rural area and it is funny to see the lines of cars idling at every school bus stop.
Having read the work of Lenore Skenazy, I wonder if you actually dropped your kids at a bus stop and left them you might be in line for a visit from Child Protective Services.

I don't know because I don't have school-age kids but that seems like the kind of thing that used to be considered fine and now isn't (like letting your kids go play in a park or walk to McDonalds).

Not that CPS should be involved, but that seems to be the way things are trending ...
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Originally Posted by thetruth74 View Post
I drive a school bus and I have come on this forum ask cyclist who rides bikes on one lane roads ( esp country roads) to please pull off the road and stand on the side so school buses can pass you safely, so we do not have to put children in harms way by going into the opposite lane of traffic on the other side of the road to pass you. Please remember Buses are wider and do take up all the one side of a lane. Many of you I assume have children, so please, I am asking you do this for the children!

thank you, have a good blessed holiday and be safe
Pass the bicyclist when there is no oncoming traffic. It's not complicated.
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Old 12-09-17, 11:13 AM
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You know what my wife says when she sees a group of cyclists on the road, "Idiots"!
Now we know what she says about you too, then, right?

Not so sure your opinion is all that worthwhile if even your wife thinks that ...

But yeah, I see your point .. bus drivers who go head-on into oncoming traffic are the best. If I had kids, that's the bus I would want them to ride ... because I don't wan't kids.
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