"All cyclists will need to fit detection beacons, says cycle industry boss"
03-30-18, 02:47 PM
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Plus, you can't even get more than half the people riding at night to use a headlight. Half of the ones who do have some Bell junk that started out at 15 lumens when the CR2032 batteries were brand new. Thus, a huge percentage won't buy it at all, the most popular model will be a Bell with a 3.7 inch maximum range, and it won't work because the user never replaced the 5 PX13 batteries it takes.
03-30-18, 03:31 PM
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Yep, a lot of folks are either unaware of risk, or grossly underestimate it. What's to be done? Someone needs to keep statisticians in business.
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I predict any large, heavy object consistently not detected by AVs will quickly become the favorite toy of assorted hoodlums.
), than it's not to be allowed on the roads. Period.
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Shouldn't have to force a retrofit if the consumer population is "convinced" that they are a good idea. Also, a cheap passive high freq. RFID chip can be a give away. Range is a real issue but I think some of them can have ranges close to 100 ft. Is that enough, though?
If AVs make a habit of not noticing something is in the way until within 100 feet, the jerky evasive maneuvers needed at highway speeds will turn buyers away from them.
03-30-18, 06:31 PM
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Oi.
Come one folks ... the Worst AV company with (by Far) the worst AV system (do the research) did a terrible job at something which should have been easy.
While Uber proved unable to travel 13 miles without a near catastrophe, Waymo managed 5500 miles.
Waymo is Right Now operating Totally Driverless cars On Public Roads ...
Heard much about it? No, because nothing bad has happened.
I am not saying AVs are ready for prime Time ... but this most people here are going in the opposite direct.
From the start even the most ardent AV proponent has admitted that the Lidar should have spotted the pedestrian and the AV brain should have responded.
Pretending this one incident by one Uber represents the state of the art is ridiculous.
Makes for easy self-righteous rants, but .... as the bard said, 'Much sound and fury, signifying Nothing."
03-30-18, 06:44 PM
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Interesting discussion! As a Libertarian I typically am against most sorts of government involvement, but my antagonism comes when the government actually sticks their nose in. As of this time, though, the discussion of beacons seems to be mostly amongst industry and advocacy groups. Perhaps governments will require beacons at some point. but more likely it will be the manufacturers who force the issue (i.e. convince us). This concept is pretty close to having radar reflectors on your boat. These are required for some, but not all waters and they significantly reduce your chances of getting run down by a larger vessel.
In any case, what is it that is so onerous to those here who are so opposed? Don't want to be recognised as a cyclist? Well then, throw all your lights away, strip your reflectors, and wear dark clothing at night.
In any case, what is it that is so onerous to those here who are so opposed? Don't want to be recognised as a cyclist? Well then, throw all your lights away, strip your reflectors, and wear dark clothing at night.
03-30-18, 07:17 PM
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03-30-18, 08:57 PM
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I know what a SR-71 Blackbird is and it is not very stealth.
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03-31-18, 02:59 AM
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I used to call myself a libertarian years ago. Then I realized it didn't make much sense to completely distrust one group of people (government) but completely trust another (corporations), simply because the former group was elected and the latter was out to make money.
Pretty good thread---which, like so many here, was based on on a completely fabricated premise which many continued to treat as factual even after it was revealed to be fabricated.
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But the AVs will be attacked by those same A Clockwork Orange thugs.
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One group got elected to make money, the other group colluded with them to make money.
Pretty good thread---which, like so many here, was based on on a completely fabricated premise which many continued to treat as factual even after it was revealed to be fabricated.
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Pretty good thread---which, like so many here, was based on on a completely fabricated premise which many continued to treat as factual even after it was revealed to be fabricated.
"Bike Forums .... where every post is a cry for help."
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I read a quote once that stuck with me even though I've forgotten who said it originally. Some NASA or early Internet engineer: "Every post is a troll." It sounds extreme, but if you think about it, in some way, every time you post something online, you're hoping to elicit some kind of response. Otherwise, why would you?
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I read a quote once that stuck with me even though I've forgotten who said it originally. Some NASA or early Internet engineer: "Every post is a troll." It sounds extreme, but if you think about it, in some way, every time you post something online, you're hoping to elicit some kind of response. Otherwise, why would you?
03-31-18, 02:34 PM
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I read a quote once that stuck with me even though I've forgotten who said it originally. Some NASA or early Internet engineer: "Every post is a troll." It sounds extreme, but if you think about it, in some way, every time you post something online, you're hoping to elicit some kind of response. Otherwise, why would you?
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03-31-18, 02:39 PM
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One group got elected to make money, the other group colluded with them to make money.
Pretty good thread---which, like so many here, was based on on a completely fabricated premise which many continued to treat as factual even after it was revealed to be fabricated.
"Bike Forums .... where every post is a cry for help."
Pretty good thread---which, like so many here, was based on on a completely fabricated premise which many continued to treat as factual even after it was revealed to be fabricated.
"Bike Forums .... where every post is a cry for help."
https://www.google.com/search?rlz=1C....0.ws7r5Oh5zac
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03-31-18, 03:02 PM
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And in BFs, they always have the ignore button.
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There isn't, which is a shame. I enjoy watching a good and clever troll at work. I see a lot that are content with low-hanging fruit, though -- perhaps they'll take their endorphin hits wherever they can.
03-31-18, 03:11 PM
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They might even try cycling.
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Let's clarify something, the ignore button is pretty much useless as you still see the ignored in quotes and if there were some attack on you it would possibly remain unaddressed properly.
Therefore, dealing with it though moderation is a proper outlet. Saying you are ignoring someone is much like those signs you get at the dollar store that say Security cameras in use when there are no cameras.
Everyone has those too.
Therefore, dealing with it though moderation is a proper outlet. Saying you are ignoring someone is much like those signs you get at the dollar store that say Security cameras in use when there are no cameras.
Everyone has those too.
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03-31-18, 11:15 PM
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This. And since he doesn't understand what a troll is he likely doesn't even know he is one. A debate is not insults and name calling, but requires some level of logic and direction leading towards a conclusion. A troll has no purpose except to create conflict and discord.