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Old 05-16-18, 11:16 AM
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Actual lawmakers have a bit more common sense than to judge a whole group based off a minority few.
WHAT? A TON of laws get made strictly for a minority few. The key is that the minority has to be either A) noisy and without noisy opposition, or B) rich.
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WHAT? A TON of laws get made strictly for a minority few. The key is that the minority has to be either A) noisy and without noisy opposition, or B) rich.
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Wut? You been under a rock lately or in some other dimension?


You deliberately took my quote out of context. I was saying that the lawmakers are not going to make restrictive laws just because of some video about one persons mess up. They are not going to take away bicycle rights just because of this video.
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You deliberately took my quote out of context. I was saying that the lawmakers are not going to make restrictive laws just because of some video about one persons mess up. They are not going to take away bicycle rights just because of this video.
No, they're going to make laws that make voters happy. Voters whose opinions are swayed by things like this video. The former mayor of my city campaigned on ending the "war on cars" in order to appeal to this very demographic. Needless to say, there wasn't much cycling infrastructure built while he was in power.
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Actual lawmakers have a bit more common sense
What planet are you from?
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Originally Posted by AlexanderLS View Post
You deliberately took my quote out of context. I was saying that the lawmakers are not going to make restrictive laws just because of some video about one persons mess up. They are not going to take away bicycle rights just because of this video.
With all the comments on your post, it is more like your post was poorly written, but you choose to ignore that.
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What planet are you from?
Let not exaggerate. They at least start off with good intentions. Even if they don't stay that way for long.
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Let not exaggerate. They at least start off with good intentions. Even if they don't stay that way for long.
I don't want to get into politics here, but of course they don't stay that way for long, not once they learn how the good ol' boy network operates.
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I believe he probably had a good reason to get upset, but he has totally screwed himself by committing assault and property damage.
Wear a camera, get it on video, and file a police report.
Exactly. He let the road raging fire rush to his head, and will likely be caught and charged. So dumb.

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Political rhetoric of the day comes and goes, but the basic laws generally stay the same. However the jurors ultimately define what a reasonable doubt is, which is why juror selection has such a huge effect on case outcome. That is why a lot of times you get a decision that seems to fly in the face of logic, because you can get a jury that has biases stacked in one direction strong enough to make them decide to be more harsh, or sometimes to be more lenient.

IE I personally feel cosby case should have been thrown out even if the actions he did may have been true, since there is absolutely zero ability to prove his guilt beyond any reasonable definition of reasonable doubt 20+ years later, or even that there was any sort of assault at all after all this time. I mean any guy on earth who made an ex gf mad could have her make up a story decades later and put him in jail if that is truly enough for a conviction - or even someone he never had anything to do with at all but who doesn't like his politics, or something else about him. Going in the other direction we constantly see cases of cyclists snuffed out but the jurors (who themselves are probably nearly all drivers but not cyclists) seem to give out only the most nominal punishments to these drivers except in the very worst cases.
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Political rhetoric of the day comes and goes, but the basic laws generally stay the same. However the jurors ultimately define what a reasonable doubt is, which is why juror selection has such a huge effect on case outcome. That is why a lot of times you get a decision that seems to fly in the face of logic, because you can get a jury that has biases stacked in one direction strong enough to make them decide to be more harsh, or sometimes to be more lenient.
And therein lies the biggest problem of the criminal justice system: the concept of a jury of your peers.

a person who is equal to another in abilities, qualifications, age, background, and social status.
something of equal worth or quality.

If you're a minority, how is a jury of all/mostly white people your peers? Where do you see each other? At the PTA meeting? The supermarket? Prayer meeting perhaps? Do you all work side by side? Hang out at the same bars, social clubs, gyms, etc.?

If the majority of those jurors don't look like you do then the concept of a "jury of your peers" is laughable. Just one of the many reasons I never have to worry about being chosen for jury duty.







IE I personally feel cosby case should have been thrown out even if the actions he did may have been true, since there is absolutely zero ability to prove his guilt beyond any reasonable definition of reasonable doubt 20+ years later, or even that there was any sort of assault at all after all this time. I mean any guy on earth who made an ex gf mad could have her make up a story decades later and put him in jail if that is truly enough for a conviction - or even someone he never had anything to do with at all but who doesn't like his politics, or something else about him.
This alone makes it a travesty of justice. As you suggest even if true he's getting judged by today's standards for something that was pretty routine two plus decades ago. No doubt the reason it wasn't brought to trial back then.
Going in the other direction we constantly see cases of cyclists snuffed out but the jurors (who themselves are probably nearly all drivers but not cyclists) seem to give out only the most nominal punishments to these drivers except in the very worst cases.
See above.
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