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The scariest pass I have ever seen on video

Old 07-04-18, 06:57 PM
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The scariest pass I have ever seen on video

https://www.facebook.com/permalink.p...95&id=23428709

In Texas. Texas has no passing law related to cyclists.

It's ridiculous what we cyclists are willing to put up with. What's it going to take to get real action?
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Old 07-04-18, 07:16 PM
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Originally Posted by Radish_legs View Post
https://www.facebook.com/permalink.p...95&id=23428709

In Texas. Texas has no passing law related to cyclists.

It's ridiculous what we cyclists are willing to put up with. What's it going to take to get real action?
Regardless of any specific number, that was clearly dangerous. She's got the video and the license plate - I don't see why she wouldn't take both to the police. She could also try a civil suit for harassment.

Otherwise, why bother with a camera?
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Old 07-04-18, 07:40 PM
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Way the F too close and too fast.

I was expecting to see a video of a dangerous/scary road over a mountain pass. This is much worse.
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Old 07-04-18, 08:44 PM
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We have all had close passes.

Not really sure what posting about this achieves except to get cyclists worked up over motorists.
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Old 07-04-18, 08:48 PM
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Clearly reckless driving.
No minimum passing law needed.
The cyclist should file charges.
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Old 07-04-18, 09:03 PM
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"You were riding on the shoulder and the vehicle was clearly driving within the marked lane."

Officer K. Blake left out the word NOT after "clearly".
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Old 07-04-18, 09:54 PM
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Well I don;t know the purpose of posting this either, but that looks like the definition of ""reckless endangerment" to me - well at least by my definition, maybe not the legal definition.
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Old 07-04-18, 10:09 PM
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This belongs in Advocacy & Safety subforum.
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Old 07-04-18, 10:12 PM
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Originally Posted by Shimagnolo View Post
Clearly reckless driving.
No minimum passing law needed.
I agree. The Texas Transportation Code defines reckless driving broadly as operating a vehicle with "willful or wanton disregard for the safety of persons or property."
Whether the police and judicial authorities in Texas would also agree is in question.
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Old 07-04-18, 10:13 PM
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Originally Posted by TimothyH View Post
We have all had close passes.

Not really sure what posting about this achieves except to get cyclists worked up over motorists.
We need laws in every state such that a video like this could be used as evidence of illegal driving. I guess we could just ignore it instead. If this video gets people charged up about making cycling safer, then good.
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Old 07-05-18, 12:49 AM
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Originally Posted by Radish_legs View Post
We need laws in every state such that a video like this could be used as evidence of illegal driving. I guess we could just ignore it instead. If this video gets people charged up about making cycling safer, then good.
Since when is a video not evidence? Why would we need new laws for something that is already admissible and common?
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Old 07-05-18, 06:05 AM
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Originally Posted by TimothyH View Post
We have all had close passes.

Not really sure what posting about this achieves except to get cyclists worked up over motorists.
Perhaps to encourage any cyclist who has faced a similar situation to report it to the police and hopefully make life a bit safer for the rest of us. In CT there is a law that requires motor vehicles to give a cyclist 3 ft. space when passing.
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Old 07-05-18, 06:27 AM
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Originally Posted by Radish_legs View Post
We need laws in every state such that a video like this could be used as evidence of illegal driving. I guess we could just ignore it instead. If this video gets people charged up about making cycling safer, then good.
In the past few years I have provided video evidence to law enforcement departments in 3 different CO counties, which have resulted in motorists being ticketed.

Be aware that when doing this, they will always ask: "Are you willing to appear in court to testify if necessary?"
The reason is that for video to be used as evidence in court, the person who shot the video must appear and testify that they made it.

Also, they are aware that Youtube processes uploaded videos, so they will want a copy of the original video file, (unprocessed by Youtube).
I use Google Drive to provide this to them.
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Old 07-05-18, 07:20 AM
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Originally Posted by f4rrest View Post
This belongs in Advocacy & Safety subforum.
Agreed. Moving to Advocacy & Safety
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Old 07-05-18, 07:59 AM
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The comments on that facebook post are exactly as frustrating as I expected. In news that will surprise no one, a fat guy with a profile photo of his face superimposed on a confederate flag thinks that cycling on public roads should be outlawed because it "impairs" traffic.
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Old 07-05-18, 08:46 AM
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Originally Posted by Kontact View Post
Regardless of any specific number, that was clearly dangerous. She's got the video and the license plate - I don't see why she wouldn't take both to the police. She could also try a civil suit for harassment.

Otherwise, why bother with a camera?
She did take it to the police. But she got an answer of "Yes, that was pretty close but they were driving legally and there's nothing we can do."
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Old 07-05-18, 08:53 AM
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Originally Posted by Kontact View Post
Since when is a video not evidence? Why would we need new laws for something that is already admissible and common?
I think he means we need safe passing laws in every state so that videos like this can be used to prosecute violations. Without minimum distance passing laws, this video is just evidence of someone legally nearly killing someone else, according to the police.

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Old 07-05-18, 09:52 AM
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Easiest way to get away with murder in Texas is to hit them with a motor vehicle and claim you didn't see the pedestrian or cyclist.

Unless the driver can be proven to have been drunk or drugged up, they'll probably get away with it.

Keep in mind that the most popular activity in Texas, like most of the South, is passive-aggressive mental gymnastics. It's even more popular than high school football, because anybody can play.

In this milieu, a turn signal translates to "speed up to cut off the signaling vehicle," a crosswalk is for exclusive use of the vehicles at the front of the line, a walk signal is bait designed to get pedestrians killed, and a brush by pass is just a redneck's way of saying "bless your heart."

The state legislature has already decided how all such conflicts over common resources should be decided: by the quickest and most accurate shots, since we can all arm ourselves to the teeth.

Eventually that's how one of these incidents really will be settled.
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Old 07-05-18, 10:05 AM
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Originally Posted by Milton Keynes View Post
She did take it to the police. But she got an answer of "Yes, that was pretty close but they were driving legally and there's nothing we can do."
That was Galveston PD.
If they can't recognize reckless driving when they see it, she should take it to the TX State Police.
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Originally Posted by Shimagnolo View Post
That was Galveston PD.
If they can't recognize reckless driving when they see it, she should take it to the TX State Police.
Or pursue a civil suit.
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Something that hasn't been mentioned:
AFAIK every sport camera on the market has a wide-angle lens.
Angle-of-view greater than 63 is classified as "wide-angle". (e.g. I once had a Contour with 170 AOV.)
A wide-angle lens makes everything look smaller and further away than it really is.

So that close call in the video was closer than it looks to us.
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Old 07-05-18, 11:54 AM
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Might be time to move ... out of Texas...
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get out & vote. but I would not ride that road
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Old 07-05-18, 01:20 PM
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Originally Posted by mtb_addict View Post
This video makes me very angry. So many reckless idiots out there. And the people, who do nothing to punish them but able to, are complicit when somebody is hurt or die.
At the risk of someone accusing me of sounding like a broken record, I continue to state that bad driving seems to be an acceptable norm.
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Old 07-05-18, 01:41 PM
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Originally Posted by bruce19 View Post
In CT there is a law that requires motor vehicles to give a cyclist 3 ft. space when passing.
It's 4' here in PA, but I think the fine is only $25. Not much of a deterrent (assuming a motorist even knows of the law, which took affect 6 years ago this month) or punishment. Even the sheriff off the most affluent county in the state was unaware of the law until a few years ago. When it was brought to his attention by a cycling club, his office held informational news conferences and had made hundreds of yellow, campaign style lawn signs explaining the law and had them put around the county. Certain roads popular with cyclists were specifically targeted.
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