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Old 07-10-18, 10:41 PM
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Originally Posted by gregf83 View Post
This. My Honda van has a camera on the side exactly for this purpose. Large trucks like this have no excuse for having a blind spot or turning into cyclists. 100% the driver's fault. They shouldn't allow trucks like that if they're not properly equipped. At the very least they could use some more turn signals on the truck and it's various pieces. I could only see turn signals on the back.
Sorry pal, this happened in B.C. Canada. The "wild west" where the [email protected] of land and people continues unabated.
I think she didn't realize the back end would turn on a different line than the front end. I don't know if that is dumb on her part, slow witted, or if it was simply a possibility outside of her experience.
As I said above "off-track" is a concept unimaginable to most of the general public. Possibly even to the driver of that rig. lol...
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Old 07-11-18, 12:08 AM
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Sorry pal, this happened in B.C. Canada. The "wild west" where the [email protected] of land and people continues unabated.
? No idea what you’re taliking about or what the Wild West has to do with safe driving.
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Originally Posted by phtomita View Post
Common sense is the key.
Doesn't matter if you have the right to the road or not. If you are on a bike and crashes with a car who get hurt is you, the biker.

For example, if you are biking on the opposite shoulder and a car is coming out of a driveway and turning into the traffic,
the driver will be paying attention to the cars coming from the left and move forward if it is safe.
Checking on the right side (cars won't come from that side) is briefly only - if you drive a car you know what I am talking.
Even on traffic light with pedestrian light, I see cars advancing when is green for the pedestrian.

You have the right, but if you get injured what is the point? In OP case the bike is gone.
Using common sense, anticipating and avoiding these situations will take a minute more to get from A to B safely.

When first moved to US, was surprised that people just cross the road sometimes without looking the cars and not even stopping
to be seen by the driver, because there is a pedestrian crossing painted on the road. You have the right, but if driver didn't see you,
who gets hurt is not the driver.
Is that what you're going to use in your defense in the case of an accident and you end up in court? Do you think all of the aformetioned "the cyclist" shoulda, coulda, woulda done this or that will get him let off? Good luck to anyone using that mantra in convincing a judge on your idea of common sense rather than the law.
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Old 07-11-18, 01:25 AM
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Is that what you're going to use in your defense in the case of an accident and you end up in court? Do you think all of the aformetioned "the cyclist" shoulda, coulda, woulda done this or that will get him let off? Good luck to anyone using that mantra in convincing a judge on your idea of common sense rather than the law.
What does his suggestions about how cyclists should act have to do with going to court?
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Old 07-11-18, 02:13 AM
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Is that what you're going to use in your defense in the case of an accident and you end up in court? Do you think all of the aformetioned "the cyclist" shoulda, coulda, woulda done this or that will get him let off? Good luck to anyone using that mantra in convincing a judge on your idea of common sense rather than the law.
Court is largely irrelevant to @phtomita's post.

Stand next to a truck, and get rolled over... Perhaps if one is lucky, lose both legs... ok, so perhaps a good payday from court, but one's life is vastly different from that point forward. Or... or course, there is death, in which one's family might sue.

I'd still rather ride safely, and survive another day. Perhaps donate a bicycle to the great garbage masher, but otherwise survive unscathed.

Ride defensively, and you may not be able to wheel into court in a wheelchair claiming you had the right of way... but, personally, I'd rather not get smashed up.
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Originally Posted by KraneXL View Post
Is that what you're going to use in your defense in the case of an accident and you end up in court? Do you think all of the aformetioned "the cyclist" shoulda, coulda, woulda done this or that will get him let off? Good luck to anyone using that mantra in convincing a judge on your idea of common sense rather than the law.
In a contributory negligence state, such as mine, that is exactly what a defendant would do. All such a defendant needs to show is that the plaintiff's behavior contributed in any way and to any degree in order to be cleared of all damages.

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Old 07-11-18, 09:33 AM
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We always have to ask ourselves if we really need to be in a danger zone.
But do we have a need... a need for speed?
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Old 07-11-18, 11:10 AM
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We were discussing delivery vehicles, like the articulated tanker truck in the OP. You're talking about passenger vehicles.
Yes we are, but you said:
"So you're okay having three times as many trucks on the road"

and my reply was regarding the size of the asian's vehicle requiring less gas therefore not as much refuelling trucks required there than here in America with their big gas guzzlers.
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Old 07-11-18, 11:14 AM
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Yes we are, but you said:
"So you're okay having three times as many trucks on the road"

and my reply was regarding the size of the asian's vehicle requiring less gas therefore not as much refuelling trucks required there than here in America with their big gas guzzlers.
Regardless of the mileage of the end users of the gas, I was talking about getting products to marketplace using big tankers vs. small tankers. Those are the only "trucks" MTB Addict and I were discussing. Whether people are burning more or less gas, that doesn't make a small tank truck less inefficient.
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Old 07-11-18, 12:21 PM
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Regardless of the mileage of the end users of the gas, I was talking about getting products to marketplace using big tankers vs. small tankers.
So put triples on our city streets already, even more “efficient.”

Zero vision.

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Old 07-11-18, 12:28 PM
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She doesn't seem to have much for street smarts.
Wow, all from a few seconds clip. Have YOU had to get out of the way of an inept CDL operator? Any dash cam footage demonstrating your smarts?

So again, nobody has learned lesson one about combination vehicles.

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Old 07-11-18, 12:32 PM
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As I said above "off-track" is a concept unimaginable to most of the general public. Possibly even to the driver of that rig. lol...
Again, all front steering vehicles “off-track.” Even bicycles, which you can prove to yourself trivially.

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Originally Posted by mr_bill View Post
So put tripples on our city streets already, even more “efficient.”

Zero vision.

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What's a "tripple"? Isn't the the tank truck shown in the video a triple already?

Vision of what?

Would you care to decode your post so we can all understand it?

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Old 07-11-18, 12:42 PM
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What's a "tripple"? Isn't the the tank truck shown in the videa a triple?

Vision of what?

Would you care to decode your post so we can all understand it?
What’s a “videa?”

The one in the “videa” is a double.

Triple.


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What’s a “videa?”

The one in the “videa” is a double.

Triple.


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It is a double. Do you think a triple would be able to negotiate the turns on city streets? All the triples I've seen on are freeways.

Zero vision about what?
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It is a double. Do you think a triple would be able to negotiate the turns on city streets? All the triples I've seen on are freeways.
To date trucks don’t “NEGOTIATE” city streets. Operators “NEGOTIATE” city streets.

When an inept operator crashes into a bridge, we don’t blame the bridge.

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To date trucks don’t navigate city streets. Operators navigate city streets.

When an inept operator crashes into a bridge, we don’t blame the bridge.

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Why are you bringing up navigation? Did I say "navigate"?

Again, what's the "vision" comment about?
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To date trucks don’t “NEGOTIATE” city streets. Operators “NEGOTIATE” city streets.

When an inept operator crashes into a bridge, we don’t blame the bridge.

-mr. bill
It's another way of referring to turn radius, which is mechanical, not based on driver skill.


For the fourth time, what is "Zero vision"? Was this just the result of another problem you have understanding words? Why do you keep avoiding replying?
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Depends on how long the load it and whether or not the object is in his aided field of vision.

On top of that the driver is trying to make a complex turn with a JOINTED vehicle, and if you've ever pulled and backed up with a simple trailer you'll realize the mechanics of this are a lot trickier than a single vehicle. But then again, try a school bus or large delivery truck (like the beer truck).

These things are why commercial drivers are often required to get a special license with special training.
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Considering that the truck is turning into a driveway, how would a curbed cycle lane have stopped this accident?

I didn't see a turn signal when the cyclist was behind the truck. The only real takeaway is to not pass large trucks on the right in areas with driveways.
It wouldn't stop the accident because the curbed bike lane would have a break in the curb for the driveway.

But if traffic is stopped, why wouldn't a cyclist filter up to the front? The truck appeared to be stopping, assumedly for the traffic light. If you assume that every vehicle can turn into every driveway, how can you even ride?

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You'll get killed riding next to large vehicles turning like that. This reminds me of the saying "if you can't see me, then I can't see you" that I saw on some trucks. I would need to see eye contact from the driver to continue. Otherwise, stay behind. You also need to look at the front wheel to see if its turning or not. Too many cars don't use a turn signal in the city here. I think trucks are better on that from what I've seen.
Again, if the perception is that the truck was slowing for the stop light at the intersection (rather than in preparation for a turn), wouldn't you expect the cyclist to filter to the front?

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The bicycle rider did nothing "legally" wrong, but IMO she was very wrong to hang out by the passenger door of the big rig.

Every vehicle has blind spots where mirrors can't see, she might very well have been in one. I do agree the truck driver should of remembered passing her earlier.

That is absolutely the worst spot to be especially on something as small as a bicycle.

Did anyone else notice that she swerved over the line closer to the truck at one point?
Well sure, because she perceived the truck as essentially stopped I think.

A few thoughts in response to the quoted posts and the situation in general: Several people say that the cyclist shouldn't pass on the right. But it appears there was stop-and-go traffic as they approached an intersection. I'm not sure if there was one here, but when there are bike boxes, aren't riders *supposed to* pass the stopping/stopped motor traffic to get up to the bike box? It looks like that what she was trying to do.

Passing a truck close to a potential right turn at an intersection is asking for trouble, but based on when the blinkers came on, there was virtually no indication that the truck was going to turn into the driveway. Even the sounds of a decelerating truck does not indicate it's going to turn... remember the traffic was stop-and-go.

Yes, a savvy cyclist will see the danger without even thinking about it too much, and take appropriate action, but really I look a the cyclist in the video and it's hard for me to blame her. She's in the bike lane. She has the right of way. Traffic is stopping so she's going to ride the bike lane to the bike box (or at least the stop line in the bike lane at the front of the intersection), and there's really no reason for her to expect the truck she's alongside to suddenly cut her off. No, it's not smart to pass on the right, but if the truck had slowed down enough that she thought it was simply stopping in its lane, why would she suspect it might suddenly be a danger? Luckily she's got experience now and didn't lose her life getting it.

And from the truck driver's side, he's absolutely supposed to be aware of the bike lane and whether there are bikes in it, but he probably makes similar turns into gas stations 5 times a day and he'd never even seen a bike in a bike lane that he had to turn across before. Yes he should be aware of the possibility, but when you never have personal experience with bikes you kind of grow numb to the possibility.

I don't know... this one really bothers me.
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I'm going to stop right here and give the blame to the cyclist for lack of knowledge and a few other judgement call failures. Fortunately she will live to know better and ride again and if lucky the driver's insurance company will repair/replace the parts or bike.

Cautionary tale.
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And one last thing...triple trailer rigs usually head straight to the delivery point or shipping center and unload or scan, relump before returning to the road. Or the truck stop. I've seen local drivers who park their bobtails next to their house or in their driveway too.

But no, you can't get multiple trailers through most city traffic, that's why they make 'truck routes'.
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It wouldn't stop the accident because the curbed bike lane would have a break in the curb for the driveway.

But if traffic is stopped, why wouldn't a cyclist filter up to the front? The truck appeared to be stopping, assumedly for the traffic light. If you assume that every vehicle can turn into every driveway, how can you even ride?
Just like the cars - no faster than the traffic ahead I guess. The cyclist would just ride in their lane behind the truck until the truck turned off or came to a complete stop at a long enough light for the bike to go to the front.

My point is that a separated and curbed bicycle traffic lane offers no added protection when it isn't there around driveways, and cars are unlikely to turn into the bike lane when there isn't a right turn to be had..
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