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Old 09-13-18, 10:31 AM
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What's worse is the fact that the NY Times published an article that made the job of bike courier out to be lethal. Like all jobs, there is some risk. If there is disproportionate risk, I am not aware of it.
meh ... expect this tripe from most media nowadays ... of All persuasion ... hit a bunch of "hot-button" issues, come at it from a different angle so as to seem original, regurgitate whichever prejudices the base readers favor .... One side will cry about how hard it is to be an illegal, the other side will cry because illegals exist at all .... no one cries because a kid got killed, no political hook there.

I delivered newspapers on my bike for years. Good gig, but safer where I lived. But this tripe … the “thousand-pizza stare …. “ what complete intestinal output. Yeah, that’s what all the 14-year-old delivery riders call it for sure … I wonder if I had a "ten thousand newspaper stare"?

If the author isn’t sure if he lives in a free country, I suggest he move to a country like Communist China, where he can legally be jailed for writing about some subjects without government approval … and where police officers can arrest and Jail people, without trial, for three to four years.

In some countries (Cuba isn’t far, but he might like some of the sub-Saharan African nations …. Or perhaps some of the Mideast?) the author might simply “disappear … “ here today, gone forever. Or come stumbling out of a police station, thoroughly beaten, as a warning not to criticize the government …. Or the cops … or anyone who in the U.S. he can write about freely.

Articles like this are only fair as essays, and are pure embarrassment as “journalism.”
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And rightfully so. What a ridiculous comparison.
Fill in the blank:

I put on protective safety equipment and fear that I will be killed by accident, or on purpose, whenever i __________________ (insert A or B).

A. Ride my bike

B. Go on a maneuver.

Ridiculous.
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Fill in the blank:

I put on protective safety equipment and fear that I will be killed by accident, or on purpose, whenever i __________________ (insert A or B).

A. Ride my bike

B. Go on a maneuver.

Ridiculous.
This can't be a serious post. No one goes to war as a hobby.
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This can't be a serious post. No one goes to war as a hobby.
I gave up recreational cycling 5 years ago. I never spend ONE unnecessary minute cycling around motor vehicles anymore. But I don't own a car so cycling to work/doctor/grocery is by far the most practical way to get around, and I can take relatively safe routes. Ironically, I quit cycling due to a 6-month period when I was forced to drive a car every day. This is when I noticed just HOW LONG people look down at their cell phones. I always knew they were sneaking peeks, but had no clue how much they were distracted until I could keep up with them in a motor vehicle and observe their behavior.

Perhaps you live in a "civilized" country. In New Orleans, according to an old study from the '80s, roughly HALF of our motorists are legally drunk. Not on New Yeas Eve but EVERY DAY. Then there are those who enjoy jumping out from behind a parked car and smacking cyclists in the face with a baseball bat or similar object, often just for fun. Added to this the cell phone behavior I witnessed and I gave up on any unnecessary cycling. Most BFers know this story already.

So, the reason I posted the article in my OP was to show that there are A LOT of people besides me who wonder if they are going to live through their day on a bicycle in the city. And you are absolutely correct, no one is going to ride recreationally if they believe their life is in constant danger. So i don't either.

Thanks for the input. Glad you live in a relatively safe environment for cycling for fun. Or just don't understand the dangers. Many in my city ride "fat, happy, and stupid" as well. They get smacked all the time.
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Oh, it's dangerous all right. But as long as I'm dealing only with people's negligence, as opposed to malice and them wanting to do me harm, that's 99% manageable for me.

I've never heard of the baseball bat thing. That sounds like a bad neighborhood issue more than anything else.

It must take a ton of dedication to go car-free in a place as hot as New Orleans. I don't know how anyone could ride in the summer heat and EXTREME humidity there and not die.
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"Might I borrow your hype?"
"Only if you promise to exaggerate it ever further."

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It's dangerous to be a deliveryman in NYC. OTOH, to be honest, quite a few close calls and a collision I had as a bicyclist and a pedestrian have been caused by deliverymen on the bike. By no means saying the 14 year old victim did anything wrong, but since the article seems to be about deliverymen on the bike in general.
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I gave up recreational cycling 5 years ago. I never spend ONE unnecessary minute cycling around motor vehicles anymore. But I don't own a car so cycling to work/doctor/grocery is by far the most practical way to get around, and I can take relatively safe routes. Ironically, I quit cycling due to a 6-month period when I was forced to drive a car every day. This is when I noticed just HOW LONG people look down at their cell phones. I always knew they were sneaking peeks, but had no clue how much they were distracted until I could keep up with them in a motor vehicle and observe their behavior.

Perhaps you live in a "civilized" country. In New Orleans, according to an old study from the '80s, roughly HALF of our motorists are legally drunk. Not on New Yeas Eve but EVERY DAY. Then there are those who enjoy jumping out from behind a parked car and smacking cyclists in the face with a baseball bat or similar object, often just for fun. Added to this the cell phone behavior I witnessed and I gave up on any unnecessary cycling. Most BFers know this story already.

So, the reason I posted the article in my OP was to show that there are A LOT of people besides me who wonder if they are going to live through their day on a bicycle in the city. And you are absolutely correct, no one is going to ride recreationally if they believe their life is in constant danger. So i don't either.

Thanks for the input. Glad you live in a relatively safe environment for cycling for fun. Or just don't understand the dangers. Many in my city ride "fat, happy, and stupid" as well. They get smacked all the time.
Dude, you need to come back to reality. If cycling where 1/4 as dangerous as you make it out to be, we'd all be taking the bus.
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Dude, you need to come back to reality. If cycling where 1/4 as dangerous as you make it out to be, we'd all be taking the bus.
Somewhere between 40,000 and 50,000 cyclists are injured badly enough to seek medical attention (or an undertaker) in the USA each year. Not sure of public transit users. I make the assumption that the vast majority of bicyclist injuries occur in urban areas like mine. So you need 160,000 to 200,000 cyclists to get clobbered every year to take notice. I can respect that. We all have our threshold.
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Somewhere between 40,000 and 50,000 cyclists are injured badly enough to seek medical attention (or an undertaker) in the USA each year. Not sure of public transit users. I make the assumption that the vast majority of bicyclist injuries occur in urban areas like mine. So you need 160,000 to 200,000 cyclists to get clobbered every year to take notice. I can respect that. We all have our threshold.
That's not what I said at all. But, by all means, do keep embarrassing yourself here.
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@JoeyBike, see my thread in the commuting forum. Cycling is one of the safest way to travel by many measures. Maybe your area is worse than others. I ride 3,000 miles a year, mostly in NYC. I don't feel as if I'm taking an undue risk.
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I commuted int he most cycling-deadly city in the nation for a decade and a half .... every day,, all hours, .... to work, to classes, on errands, for pleasure, to visit friends, to go camping, whatever .... So when i hear these ridicolous horror stories, I know it is the storyteller,

I point out---this guy still Chooses to ride a bike.

Is there a type of attention deficit disorder in which people act crazy in order to get attention? "Help me with my attention deficit! No one is noticing me!!" Would this be what it looks like?
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That's not what I said at all. But, by all means, do keep embarrassing yourself here.
You wrote that: if the danger was 1/4 of what I "make it out to be" that you would take the bus. What the danger actually IS are the numbers I gave, and 4X the actual number would then make you take the bus. Simple math.

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Dude, you need to come back to reality. If cycling where 1/4 as dangerous as you make it out to be, we'd all be taking the bus.
Point is, when I take off on a bike journey in my city I am consciously aware that I might never make it back. Just like now, BFers make fun of that notion. Then I stumbled across some other bike riders who felt the same way. So I posted a link. I am not alone in this thinking. This was the point. And the persons quoted in that article have ZERO bicycling agenda other than utility. Same as me.

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Every day whether i go for a ride or not I know it could be my last day. So what?

Many, many more people die slipping in the bathtub than riding a bike. You had best start washing outside with a hose.
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Many, many more people die slipping in the bathtub than riding a bike.
To put it in other words:

Every time you return to your house, you never know if you'll leave again.
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Many, many more people die slipping in the bathtub than riding a bike.
That is because they don't wear helmets when going to war in their bathroom.
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Every day whether i go for a ride or not I know it could be my last day. So what?

Many, many more people die slipping in the bathtub than riding a bike. You had best start washing outside with a hose.
I posted my own thoughts about mortality on this recent Fifty-Plus thread,
I woke up one day and I was OLD !!!
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..Since you brought up mortality… two striking quotes about mortality that I read / heard in the 70’s have stuck with me to this day:

  1. By Ashleigh Brilliant, a cartoonist of Pot-Shots who wrote epigrams (“Brilliant Thoughts In 17 Words Or Less”), in particular to paraphrase,” I hope it’s a nice day, the day after I die."
  2. The Moody Blues from “You and Me"
"What will be our last thought
Do you think it's coming soon?

Will it be of comfort
Or the pain of a burning wound?"


On a few threads on BF, I posted about how I live my ante-mortem life:
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Ever contemplate your mortality on the road?

Actually, in one of my most serious contemplations of mortality, the Road served as a relief:
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My magic moment when I realized what makes cycling fun (important) to me was at a lunch with two doctors about 20 years ago. We got to talking about the vicissitudes of life, like sudden death, or trivial symptoms as harbingers of a serious disease. We eventually came around to that old chestnut to live life to the fullest everyday.

As we were leaving, the surgeon, a marathon runner, said, “Well, any day with a run in it is a good day for me.” I was already an avid cyclist and cycle commuter, and that clicked with me, any day with a ride in it is a good day for me.

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You wrote that: if the danger was 1/4 of what I "make it out to be" that you would take the bus. What the danger actually IS are the numbers I gave, and 4X the actual number would then make you take the bus. Simple math.
Still not even close to what I said. But by all means, keep trying.
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Point is, when I take off on a bike journey in my city I am consciously aware that I might never make it back. Just like now, BFers make fun of that notion. Then I stumbled across some other bike riders who felt the same way. So I posted a link. I am not alone in this thinking. This was the point. And the persons quoted in that article have ZERO bicycling agenda other than utility. Same as me.
Point is, when I walk down the stairs at my house I am consciously aware that I might never make it back.

As I said above, your statements deserve to be made fun of. They are so over the top ridiculous that they can't be taken seriously.
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Every day whether i go for a ride or not I know it could be my last day. So what?

Many, many more people die slipping in the bathtub than riding a bike. You had best start washing outside with a hose.
Last time I took a bath it felt just like storming Omaha beach. The horrors I've seen! It changed me man. It changed me.
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Yep, every day is like the Battle of the Somme for NYC pizza delivery riders.

Tens of thousands are killed every month in NYC alone, but no one in the media ever reports on it.

Must be because of their so-called "immigration status". When these poor unforunate family-oriented people die it's not even counted in the official statistics. Where's "60 Minutes" when you need them?
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Originally Posted by jon c. View Post
To put it in other words:

Every time you return to your house, you never know if you'll leave again.
Once upon a time, there was a man who heard the adage, "90% of all accidents happen within a half mile of your home." So he moved.
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...Point is, when I walk down the stairs at my house I am consciously aware that I might never make it back...
And you call me silly??! If you can't navigate stairs, on your own, without traffic all around you, then you sure as hell shouldn't be riding a bike in traffic. But this is the PROBLEM. Most cyclists, by far, think riding a bike in traffic is no more dangerous than navigating the stairs in their house. So they go out fat, happy, and stupid for a ride. Then they get clobbered and blame everyone else. "Oh poor me, I was playing on a busy highway on my bike and some drunk looking at their phone killed me".

I know two people who had a car and a dump truck smash into their house. Aside from this, I can't think how walking around in your house can be compared to delivering food in Manhattan on a bicycle. And I get called silly and said to be embarrassing myself here. Go figure.
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+ Just learned the awful news that a longtime CounterPuncher, Robert Beal, was hit and killed by a car while cycling in Texas, where he lived. Robert was an occasional writer and frequent correspondent, who was an expert on the environmental economics of the border region. It’s a big blow.
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