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fritz1255 10-04-18 06:29 AM

Dogs, again
 
Sorry if this has been discussed several times before, but.... What is the best way to deal with a dog that is chasing you? I live in a small town where some folks let their dogs wander, even though it's illegal. While I think in most cases the dogs are not trying to harm me, a wipeout even at 10 mph would be very bad. The ideal solution would be something that I could spray on the dog that would not do any permanent harm, but deter it instantly.

indyfabz 10-04-18 07:01 AM

:popcorn

BTW...You could use the search function and search for "Dogs" in thread titles only. Though your preferred approach to a subject which, judging from the thread title and first sentence of the OP, you already know has been discussed ad nauseum, will almost certainly prove to be more entertaining.

Flip Flop Rider 10-04-18 07:29 AM

the things I've read here that I can think of:

squirt the dog with water, pepper spray, vinegar, bear spray, and other home made concoctions. use a water bottle or small squirt gun

some say to stop and verbalize your disapproval to the dog, essentially stand your ground

some say to carry treats or a pack of hot dogs and distract the dog with that

some say to shoot with bullets (usually the thread gets closed when this is mentioned)

that's all I can think of off hand

mixteup 10-04-18 07:30 AM

You're right - it's been talked to death .
The correct answer is this :
https://www.amazon.com/SABRE-RED-Pep...e+pepper+spray

Make sure you get gel , NOT spray -
Apply to chasing dog - Dog will get over it, but learn something valuable ..........

rumrunn6 10-04-18 07:31 AM

but he might get flamed for resurrecting an old thread if he posted a question. kind of a catch 22 :foo:

for the OP, stuff that comes to mind is your own water bottle & they make small cans of dog repellent spray that the postal service carries, such as "Halt!"

if you have an issue w the same dog, in the same spot, maybe the dog will tire of chasing you over time. & then you'll miss it :D

personally I'd be more worried about the owner. if they are the type to let their dog loose, they might also be the type to defend that decision with violence & no self control of their own

variety of ideas here

indyfabz 10-04-18 08:14 AM


Originally Posted by rumrunn6 (Post 20599414)
but he might get flamed for resurrecting an old thread if he posted a question. kind of a catch 22 :foo:

Or he could have simply read the existing dog threads, some of which are not old at all. From the word "again," he obviously knows there are existing threads on the topic. No new developments have come down the pike since the last dog thread(s).

mtb_addict 10-04-18 10:41 AM

First, I try to out run it. Put the bike in higher gear and put the hammer down.

If it looks like I won't be able to outrun, then I need to determine the breed. Is it a pit bull? doberman? German sherpa? Chiuwhawha? goldern retrive?

Then I evaluate it's phsyicque. Is it overweight? You might be able to outrun a fearsome breed if it's been overfed by its owner.

Then I need to evaluate whether it's going to bite. I can usually tell if a dog is out of blood or not. If it not looking good, I'm going to slow down quikly and dismount and prepare for mortal combat using whatever I can find...rocks, sticks on the ground, the bike as a shield, spraying water from water bottle, tire pump as a club.

I have a can of bear spray for backpacking...but I have been hessitant to bring it on my bike for fear of the legal complication.

wgscott 10-04-18 10:44 AM

Halt!


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indyfabz 10-04-18 10:52 AM

Maybe the OP fell victim to a prank.

https://p.vitalmtb.com/photos/storie...jpg?1352411108

rumrunn6 10-04-18 11:21 AM

lol, pre-ride checklist now includes looking for hot dogs in your seat tube

Jim from Boston 10-04-18 03:48 PM


Originally Posted by fritz1255 (Post 20599318)
Sorry if this has been discussed several times before, but.... What is the best way to deal with a dog that is chasing you? I live in a small town where some folks let their dogs wander, even though it's illegal.

While I think in most cases the dogs are not trying to harm me, a wipeout even at 10 mph would be very bad. The ideal solution would be something that I could spray on the dog that would not do any permanent harm, but deter it instantly.

Originally Posted by mtb_addict (Post 20599755)
First, I try to out run it. Put the bike in higher gear and put the hammer down.

If it looks like I won't be able to outrun…


This was a good thread on the subject, with my post:

Originally Posted by Jim from Boston (Post 19559027)
”Dog attack and confrontation with owner”

Originally Posted by FBinNY (Post 19557510)
Fill a spray bottle with ammonia, Windex or lemon juice. You can add cayenne pepper for moreeffect, and/of add food color to leave a mark. make sure to set the sprayer to"mist". Carry it in your downtube bottle cage.

Originally Posted by Maelochs (Post 19557571)
This is not a cut-and-tried situation like some here seem to think.

First, there are places where dogs can kill people. It’s called, “Everywhere.”

Second, in rural areas, there are a couple dynamics urban/suburban people don’t seem to understand.

One is the “pack.” In some areas, where dogs are pretty much allowed to roam,the can actually form packs, just like they used to , to hunt…

Some of the fast young riders just sprint away. Not always an option. Sometimes you are tired, or surprised, or on a steep hill….

It won’t happen. Stuff like that happens less than people win the lottery.

But ... people win the lottery.

If you have never been in that situation, don’t criticize others who have been.. at least not until you think really hard about it.

Sometimes there is no one to call for help, no one there to rescue you, no one to save your butt. It is you, and what you do .. and maybe your whole life is radically changed by your response.

I have learned the hard way that sometimes life throws really crappy situations at you. And Rarely do we handle them the way we imagine we would have.

Have a great time cycling.

:eek:

Here in Metro Boston, including exurbia, I cannot recall being chased by a dog in decades. I think the spray bottle solution is probably the most reasonable alternative to “peaceful” vs “violent” solutions, but seems burdensome if a dog chase is a rare event.


When riding in Michigan, and on various tours including cross country, my successful, spontaneous strategy was to pace myself at submaximal speed as the (single) dog approached, and when close I would scream out loud to startle the dog.

Usually it would react by slowing down, and I would speed up to maximal pace. The dog always gave up the chase as the gap widened since it was presumably chasing at its maximal speed.


PaulH 10-04-18 04:15 PM

On a close pass, hit the brakes to get on his tail, roar at the dog, and give chase. This establishes that you are dominant.

rseeker 10-04-18 05:07 PM


Originally Posted by PaulH (Post 20600402)
On a close pass, hit the brakes to get on his tail, roar at the dog, and give chase. This establishes that you are dominant.

The bike equivalent of the MiG-29 Cobra Maneuver. The hunter becomes the hunted.

Rollfast 10-06-18 09:39 PM

A dog had less than three seconds to get at my left ankle a couple days ago. If you don't catch that fast it's too late. The dog was also doing what it instinctively saw as it's duty and I know the owner it figured it was protecting.

It should have been on a leash in an open yard but the owner's kid didn't see that need.

And before you get 2 cents in, I'm not mad about that. I just expect to have a chat with the owner about better training. The dog isn't raving vicious, as I've said before they have a territory and unfamiliar objects moving across the edge of that territory sometimes cause them to chase.

The dog broke my skin but didn't do much more than that.

What was of a bigger concern was if it got entangled in the bike and hurt as well. It's a black lab sized female. Grain of salt.

KraneXL 10-07-18 12:53 AM


Originally Posted by rumrunn6 (Post 20599414)
but he might get flamed for resurrecting an old thread if he posted a question. kind of a catch 22 :foo:

for the OP, stuff that comes to mind is your own water bottle & they make small cans of dog repellent spray that the postal service carries, such as "Halt!"

if you have an issue w the same dog, in the same spot, maybe the dog will tire of chasing you over time. & then you'll miss it :D

personally I'd be more worried about the owner. if they are the type to let their dog loose, they might also be the type to defend that decision with violence & no self control of their own

variety of ideas here

Defend breaking the law? Loose dogs running around are illegal. If that's the case, simply call animal control/code enforcement and the police.

Rollfast 10-07-18 01:01 AM

Oh yeah, all three cops here will get on it. We didn't even have a code/ordinance officer on patrol for almost a year, no money.

scotton 10-07-18 08:56 PM

I've had dog encounters on every ride for the last 8 rides. It's getting really old. Sometimes it's a dog getting away from its owner. Sometimes it's a dogging jumping a fence. Sometimes it's a pack of ferals out in the country.

There are two houses that let their big dogs roam free in the yard. Both houses are at the top of a hill, so out-running the dogs is not an option. So every time I pass those houses, I have to stop and get off the bike when the dogs run out into the street and yell at the dogs until they go away. So now I'm going to have to go back to carrying dog spray because these idiots won't look out for their dogs. I'm also going to video the repeat offenders and put the video up on the local nextdoor website, maybe I can shame the owners into doing the right thing.

I really don't want to have to hurt or kill someone's dog, I've got two snoring under my feet right this second. But I refuse to stop riding on these crappy roads that I'm paying for just because some lazy redneck won't spend $200 on a dog run.

KraneXL 10-07-18 10:10 PM

Another route would be to call the county and report the house, and let them do what your tax dollars pay for. Dog cannot roam free or get out of the yard and run after stuff. Just call animal control report the house -- or identify the dog -- and they'll do the rest. We live in cities now (most of us anyway), so there's no need for Steven Segull cook turned special forces combat tactics to correct the problem.

JoeyBike 10-11-18 07:03 PM


Originally Posted by fritz1255 (Post 20599318)
Sorry if this has been discussed several times before, but.... What is the best way to deal with a dog that is chasing you? I live in a small town where some folks let their dogs wander, even though it's illegal. While I think in most cases the dogs are not trying to harm me, a wipeout even at 10 mph would be very bad. The ideal solution would be something that I could spray on the dog that would not do any permanent harm, but deter it instantly.

Get a good friend with a mean streak to follow you in a car or truck past the dogs house.

Bike past the house and make sure the dog notices you.

As the dog chases you lure him to the opposite side of the road and keep his focus on you.

See where this is going? It is an effective and permanent solution. So I've heard anyway. ;)

P.S.: It may take a couple of passes to get the timing right.

McMitchell 10-12-18 10:47 AM

There are some decent ideas here. I thought I would offer up a few “educated” thoughts. I have trained K9 Units, taught responsible “ bite work”,served as a decoy for around 30 years, president and training director of multiple dog clubs...

First understand the situation. Dogs, like their wolf immediate relatives, chase things that flee from them, especially in what they consider their territory. They can become very determined when the same individual flees from them on a regular basis. It may be possible to define a dog’s territory and avoid it. Some breeds have instinctually higher prey and defense drive, which should be respected. Many dogs can accelerate up to around 40mph fast, which may make trying to out run them a problem, depending on the “border” of their territory.

From here things get more complicated. I would not suggest that most people do what I would do in these situations. A woman was literally killed relatively recently on the road I now live on by a pitbull that was allowed to roam free. I should have reported the dog as I could see it was becoming a problem. Please! report dogs that become increasingly territorial. Dogs in groups/packs are much more dangerous, even a group of two may be orders of magnitude more dangerous.

Most dogs will not chase something that moves toward instead of away from them, be subtle. This may not hold true for a dog who has become overly territorial. A dog in high defense or prey drive may bite just about anything. It may be possible to offer the offending dog some object that is not part of your body to bite: sticks, bike, clothing not attached to your body....For those inexperienced in doing this though it is risky. Still, if I am riding or walking I make a point of having a staff, walking stick, compact bike pump, even a bike to feed any aggresive dog.

Loud, aggresive, harsh noise typically helps unless you are dealing with an overly territorial dog. Be aware, dogs respond to tones of “words” more than the words. They also respond to more subtle body language than people do, icy stares may work. Pepper spray, venegar, lemon juice, smelling salts etc. may help too. I am thinking about carrying one “water bottle” with a mixture of dog repelant on my bike. The issue here is actually getting a significant amount on the dog. Aim for the nose, dog noses are very sensative.

Rollfast 10-12-18 10:47 PM


Originally Posted by JoeyBike (Post 20612069)
Get a good friend with a mean streak to follow you in a car or truck past the dogs house.

Bike past the house and make sure the dog notices you.

As the dog chases you lure him to the opposite side of the road and keep his focus on you.

See where this is going? It is an effective and permanent solution. So I've heard anyway. ;)

P.S.: It may take a couple of passes to get the timing right.

So you are setting the dog up, sort of baiting them for punishment? At what risk?

This thread is falling apart the same way the others have.

Siu Blue Wind 10-12-18 11:25 PM


Originally Posted by JoeyBike (Post 20612069)
Get a good friend with a mean streak to follow you in a car or truck past the dogs house.

Bike past the house and make sure the dog notices you.

As the dog chases you lure him to the opposite side of the road and keep his focus on you.

See where this is going? It is an effective and permanent solution. So I've heard anyway. ;)

P.S.: It may take a couple of passes to get the timing right.

You are in the wrong place to talk like this. Very wrong place. Don't forget that kids are on here too. And if anyone's dog is injured per your suggestion, that's something Im sure you'd be proud of. But just in case, this thread will be closed and preserved. Thank you.

OP: Yes, there are many threads on this. With that being said, I think you may benefit from a search or the links above. :)


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