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Old 11-09-18, 05:25 PM
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Originally Posted by mr,grumpy View Post
The very act of riding a bicycle put you at odds with the majority of the people around you. It identifies you as some one outside of the "normal" and, as we all know, people are distrustful of "outside the norm".
Tribalism is built into our DNA. Some of us can control the worst of it, others not so much.
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Old 11-10-18, 03:09 AM
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When I explained he rolled through a stop sign they said yes he did, but this was normal and expected and I should have been paying more attention.

So why do they hate us so much?
Again, this confirms what I have been stating over and over. Bad driving has become an acceptable norm.

Bicycles on the road force bad drivers to pay attention as they were taught but they don't like that.
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Old 11-10-18, 12:52 PM
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Originally Posted by Daniel4 View Post
Again, this confirms what I have been stating over and over. Bad driving has become an acceptable norm....
OK. Let me go over this once again. It is SO simple.

1. Look both ways before you cross the street, even a one-way street.

2. If you can't see, you can't go.

3. If you are NOT SURE, you CAN'T GO.

Easy as 1-2-3. Obey these simple rules and it is highly unlikely you will be hit from either side. Overtaking cars is another story all together. There is little you can do for overtaking vehicles other than to be as visible as possible, or don't cycle on roads with cars - which would have also solved the OPs issue.
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Old 11-10-18, 01:03 PM
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Originally Posted by Daniel4 View Post
Again, this confirms what I have been stating over and over. Bad driving has become an acceptable norm.

Bicycles on the road force bad drivers to pay attention as they were taught but they don't like that.
It's not just cyclists...

The number of accidents at school bus stops is on the rise as drivers continue to ignore safety rules.
https://www.kare11.com/article/news/...s/89-610549346

Just how hard is it to see a school bus? How about to notice the flashing red lights displayed by a school bus???

And yet...
The National Association of State Directors of Pupil Transportation did a study in 2016 regarding illegal passing of stopped buses. Of the 96,000 school bus drivers who participated in the study in 34 states, 74,000 vehicles illegally passed a stopped school bus in a one-day snapshot. Of those who illegally passed a school bus, 58 percent of passes were from the front, 42 percent from the rear and 2 percent on the right side. The extrapolation of such data equates to over 13 million illegal passes of a school bus per year.
https://s3-us-west-2.amazonaws.com/n...2018-10-31.pdf

Hello!!! If drivers cannot see and stop for a big yellow school bus with bright red flashing lights... why in the world would drivers see a solo cyclist, ever?
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Old 11-10-18, 07:06 PM
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Originally Posted by JoeyBike View Post
OK. Let me go over this once again. It is SO simple.

1. Look both ways before you cross the street, even a one-way street.

2. If you can't see, you can't go.

3. If you are NOT SURE, you CAN'T GO.

Easy as 1-2-3. Obey these simple rules and it is highly unlikely you will be hit from either side. Overtaking cars is another story all together. There is little you can do for overtaking vehicles other than to be as visible as possible, or don't cycle on roads with cars - which would have also solved the OPs issue.
So does this absolve drivers from all the responsibilities that they had accepted when they earned their drivers licence?
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Old 11-10-18, 07:36 PM
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Originally Posted by Daniel4 View Post
So does this absolve drivers from all the responsibilities that they had accepted when they earned their drivers licence?
Who gets the blame will not resurrect you from the dead. Drivers, and people in general, are stupid and distracted. Or distracted and stupid. Maybe crazy too. Whatever. You can go with the facts on the ground and TAKE CONTROL of your own safety, or you can leave it in the hands of others and hope for the best - and carry a rabbit's foot. It's really up to you.

A good safety plan for riding your bike is to assume everybody else is an idiot and act accordingly. Trust = Danger.
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Old 11-10-18, 10:15 PM
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Everyone?

That include us?

Were you trying to say assume they don't see you or something and pay attention?

Basically it.
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Old 11-11-18, 09:33 AM
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Originally Posted by JoeyBike View Post
Some other cyclist got in their way at another time in the past. Maybe several other cyclists had the nerve to slow them down for five seconds last week or last year. You are a cyclist, ergo, a PITA, and they hate you and your kind.

^^THIS is why. You asked.
thats about it yeah
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Old 11-11-18, 09:35 AM
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Originally Posted by Daniel4 View Post
So does this absolve drivers from all the responsibilities that they had accepted when they earned their drivers licence?
pretty much yes

it could be worse, you could be in the middle east and not only driver but the whole us army is out to kill you at least our cars don explode
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Old 11-11-18, 09:53 AM
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Originally Posted by Rollfast View Post
Everyone?
Everyone

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That include us?
"Us" is a subset of "Everyone".

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Were you trying to say assume they don't see you or something and pay attention?
Assume they don't see you, or they see you and think they can make it past you because you "aren't moving fast", or they just don't care because you shouldn't be there in the first place, and it is YOUR responsibility to stay out of the way of important motor vehicles, yield to every move they make, and it's on you to save your own skin.

It is far more complicated than assuming they just don't see you.
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Old 11-11-18, 10:34 AM
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Originally Posted by JoeyBike View Post
I never EVER cycle past a school bus with occupants and open windows.
If a school bus is loading, to your left on the crossing street before an intersection where you're stopped, do you ever cross in front while traffic is stopped? Just curious.
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Old 11-11-18, 10:58 AM
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Originally Posted by wphamilton View Post
If a school bus is loading, to your left on the crossing street before an intersection where you're stopped, do you ever cross in front while traffic is stopped? Just curious.
I don't know. My work hours are so far skewed from school bus hours that it is rare I have any interaction with them at all. Just last week there was a yellow bus full of kids, maybe on a field trip or something, heading the same way as I was - most windows open. Bus is in the right lane, I'm cycling in a painted bike lane between the bus and the curb. NO WAY was I sliding through there. I just waited for the green light from a safe distance behind the bus until it went on it's way ahead of me.
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Originally Posted by wphamilton View Post
If a school bus is loading, to your left on the crossing street before an intersection where you're stopped, do you ever cross in front while traffic is stopped? Just curious.
Hey, I don't blame Joey... I avoid the things like the plague... Will even stop down the block to avoid interaction... and never never go into a school zone during the morning/afternoon mommy rush.... that's just asking for trouble. (I accidentally did it ONCE... just ONCE... and learned very quickly.)

I used to walk my son to school, when he was in the 1-5 grades... but we kept well off the road, and only had a few streets to cross. He's 31 now, and I feel the trauma has finally worn off.

I remember suggesting one time that he ride his bike to school... and the horror look on his face was enough to tell me to never do that again. He did skateboard to middle school... but there were sidewalks in that area... and I believe he actually used the board as more of a shield... I'll never know for sure, as I wasn't allowed to walk with him after age 10. "Just not cool, dad..."

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Old 11-11-18, 02:15 PM
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Originally Posted by JoeyBike View Post
I don't know. My work hours are so far skewed from school bus hours that it is rare I have any interaction with them at all. Just last week there was a yellow bus full of kids, maybe on a field trip or something, heading the same way as I was - most windows open. Bus is in the right lane, I'm cycling in a painted bike lane between the bus and the curb. NO WAY was I sliding through there. I just waited for the green light from a safe distance behind the bus until it went on it's way ahead of me.
Of course! That's just nuts to get beside a school bus and I won't pass them even when the flag goes down.

One stops at our complex entrance, a good 30-40 feet away. On the street that crosses in front of me. So when all the traffic is stopped, I sometimes grab the opportunity to cross the street, and not sure how guilty to feel. After all, they're all stopped and no students where I'm going.
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