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Old 11-07-18, 01:56 PM
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Originally Posted by CAT7RDR View Post
We can sometimes point the finger at drugs/alcohol/mental health, but sometimes people are just plain evil.

Unfortunately, this cyclist met up with it.
I suppose some people are "evil". However, I believe those who are are very few.

How many people would actually choose to kill another person in a very visible/traceable manner. Total their own car. And, likely spend 10 years to life in Prison.

Of course, remove the consequences, and there may be more people who would do it.

I've known people who joked about driving being like a video game with other road users being "points". But, never believed anybody would actually carry through with it in real life.

I have to wonder if the driver of the car decided it was funny to play "chicken" with cyclists or pedestrians, and watch them take evasive actions into bushes and ditches.

However, if she was actually intoxicated, that might have seemed like a good idea, but her own reactions would have been impaired, and not every cyclist will react as one expects to an unexpected event.

Thus, many things would have led to the killing without actually trying to kill. And intoxication makes it worse.

Nonetheless, poor judgement, and these actions are inexcusable, and should warrant severe punishment. Especially with apparent previous calls of attempts to hit other cyclists.
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Old 11-07-18, 02:23 PM
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But, many studies seem to indicate that cycling reduces all cause mortality and morbidity.
No one is disputing the prospective health benefits from exercise. When that exercise involve playing in the travel lanes of busy highways with high-speed auto traffic, I believe the risk to one's health goes up substantially over a spinning class in the gym. Just a guess.
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JoeyBike ... the guy who posted in another thread that he runs red lights?

Your schtick is getting old.

You CHOOSE to ride. And you choose to come here and play victim.

No bueno.
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I suppose some people are "evil". However, I believe those who are are very few.

How many people would actually choose to kill another person in a very visible/traceable manner. Total their own car. And, likely spend 10 years to life in Prison....
I am a prosecutor. The number of truly evil people in the world is far greater than you may wish to believe.

Fortunately, however, they are still in the minority.
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Old 11-07-18, 10:41 PM
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You CHOOSE to ride.
I choose WHERE I ride based on the likelihood of getting hosed. By avoiding narrow 2-lane country roads with high speed traffic I have successfully reduced my exposure to texting/drunk/crazy motorists driving oversized vehicles and pulling trailers barely in control because they are likely speeding also.

Where I ride my bikes currently I have a near zero chance of being hit by a car. Others make their choices and live or die with them as well.
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Old 11-08-18, 06:14 AM
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Where I ride my bikes currently I have a near zero chance of being hit by a car. Others make their choices and live or die with them as well.
Is this JoeyBike who has long claimed that he could not ride safely anywhere and that New Orleans was a war zone for cyclists?
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If your idea of risk mitigation is avoiding the dangers altogether, that is your prerogative. However, five years down the road a development could pop up along your "safe" route, and then you're forced to find something else. Personally, I think you can only run from a problem for so long until you're forced to confront it and do your part to fix it. You might as well do it now before it worsens.
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Old 11-08-18, 09:46 AM
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If your idea of risk mitigation is avoiding the dangers altogether, that is your prerogative. However, five years down the road a development could pop up along your "safe" route, and then you're forced to find something else. Personally, I think you can only run from a problem for so long until you're forced to confront it and do your part to fix it. You might as well do it now before it worsens.
Actually just the opposite in New Orleans right now. Zero chance of new development as far as housing goes. And separate MUPs are popping up everywhere. In fact, I spend more time skating those new places than cycling, although Fall tree debris takes the fun out of skating, as does early darkness, so I revert back the the bikes for a month or two. So in my case, it gets better every day to the point that getting a decent bike ride done on nice paths with minimum pedestrians is now enjoyable. Not tons of miles but 10-20 miles with very minimal exposure other than a few intersections to negotiate.

But as far as saddling up and biking 50 miles to the beach and 50 miles back home on a pretty day - never again. 5-month bike tours in the USA. I look at my photos. No way would I do that now. Bonus miles in the city on my way to work? Nope. Road bike? Sold it.

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Old 11-08-18, 09:53 AM
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Is this JoeyBike who has long claimed that he could not ride safely anywhere and that New Orleans was a war zone for cyclists?
I am only a few blocks east of the Jefferson Parish border where at least there is some law and order. There is a river and a lake MUP where I can do a 40-mile loop. NOT in New Orleans specifically. That is a whole different beast right next door. You wouldn't want to ride a bike much in Jefferson Parish apart from those paths. Zero bike infrastructure, gridlock traffic on large arterials, circuitous back street networks are ok tho.
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Old 11-08-18, 09:57 AM
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Don't fall for his game.
I'm happy to answer legit questions.
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Old 11-08-18, 12:24 PM
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I'm happy to answer legit questions.
I have always been a fan of your thought processes. Being from the area, I get much of what you type. I don't however, see the value to the forum of the steady drumbeat of late. The riders here realize that they never know when their number is going to be up and they understand the rule of gross tonnage. You have made it pretty clear that you have reached a point in your risk gain analysis that finds you riding for fun far less than you used to. If you look at your recent posting history and read it objectively, there's a whole lot of an "I told you so" vibe. I don't see any value in that. What's your objective in repeatedly sending the same message? You've always enjoyed the spotlight. I have no issue with that. I think we all do to varying degrees. But now that you aren't riding as much, you seem to enjoy slapping the bull to get in the spotlight. In summary, your posts have gone from high value relative to safety and entertainment to a value that despite my effort to find, I cannot.

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Old 11-08-18, 12:38 PM
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Old 11-08-18, 01:13 PM
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You've always enjoyed the spotlight. I have no issue with that. I think we all do to varying degrees. But now that you aren't riding as much, you seem to enjoy slapping the bull to get in the spotlight. In summary, your posts have gone from high value relative to safety and entertainment to a value that despite my effort to find, I cannot.
Two things:

1. I am the only person here, that I know of, who is stating the not-so-obvious in A&S. Every other scheme for not getting smacked down on a bike is discussed over and over. And after the fact all the talk is about locking up some motorist forever. You may notice I take long breaks from BF but after a hundred of they typical "I was just riding along" stories, or "another one bites the dust" obits, it compels me to post the should-be-obvious solution: Limit your exposure to the more dangerous cycling scenarios. It does not seem very intuitive for a bicycle message board to tell people to ride LESS, but it is a reasonable solution. Ride less on roads that are the most dangerous. Simple. We have no way to track those cyclists, if any, who decide to NOT ride THAT road today and avoided disaster because or it. I feel it is important to remind people that cycling on that dangerous road is not mandatory. Cycling at all, if it causes you stress or fear for your life, is not mandatory. If you decide to do it anyway, try not to whine every time a motorist offends you.

2. I joined BF in 2007. In 2008 I requested my account be deleted. My request was refused due to some glitch with the previous threads containing my posts would cause Hell to open up and swallow the whole message board. I am still wide open to account deletion but every time I look into it, the story is the same. Even Facebook, Strava, and Endomondo allowed me to totally delete my accounts. So...here we are.

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I choose WHERE I ride based on the likelihood of getting hosed. By avoiding narrow 2-lane country roads with high speed traffic I have successfully reduced my exposure to texting/drunk/crazy motorists driving oversized vehicles and pulling trailers barely in control because they are likely speeding also.

Where I ride my bikes currently I have a near zero chance of being hit by a car. Others make their choices and live or die with them as well.

Hate to break it to you, but if someone is intent on killing a random stranger with their car, whether or not you end up in their way is not going to be up to you. If you're at ground level, there is no such place with a near zero chance.

I had a friend who was sitting in a bar when a woman intentionally rammed her SUV through the front window and killed my friend and several other people. And of course, there was this:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2017_N...y_truck_attack
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Old 11-08-18, 01:29 PM
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Hate to break it to you, but if someone is intent on killing a random stranger with their car, whether or not you end up in their way is not going to be up to you. If you're at ground level, there is no such place with a near zero chance.
But if you aren't on THAT particular road at THAT time...

Or on fewer roads all the time.

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I had a friend who was sitting in a bar when a woman intentionally rammed her SUV through the front window and killed my friend and several other people. And of course, there was this:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2017_N...y_truck_attack
An avid cyclist friend of mine, who owned a bike shop, was killed by a truck that lost control and veered onto the sidewalk. That's just bad luck. Whenever possible, I like to tilt the field in my favor. You have to admit that sitting in a cafe is far less dangerous than cycling in a busy city. Unless of course it happens to be THAT cafe at THAT particular time!
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JoeyBike has lost all credibility with me, now that he has admitted that everything he has been repeating is just exaggeration.

As for coming to A&S to provide some service by telling everyone that we are mortal ...

Hey, dude, some of us are able to be mortal and ride a bike at the same time. Amazingly talented bunch aren't we?

I agree with @Paul_Barnard ---lately you seem to be posting because you are lonely and need attention. You are not doing A&S any service.

If you stuck closer to the truth and avoided the histrionics, we might still be engaging in some sort of mutually beneficial conversation.

When is your new movie "Skating Through War Zones," due to hit cinemas?
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2. I joined BF in 2007. In 2008 I requested my account be deleted. My request was refused due to some glitch with the previous threads containing my posts would cause Hell to open up and swallow the whole message board. I am still wide open to account deletion but every time I look into it, the story is the same. Even Facebook, Strava, and Endomondo allowed me to totally delete my accounts. So...here we are.

Where are we? You weren't deleted in 2008, so you have to keep repeating the same "the sky is trying to kill you" message over and over?
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Where are we? You weren't deleted in 2008, so you have to keep repeating the same "the sky is trying to kill you" message over and over?
+1. No one is forcing him to make use of his account.
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Old 11-08-18, 02:22 PM
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Thankfully, cycling around motor vehicle traffic is nothing like living in a war zone where people are purposely trying to kill me. Oh...wait.....
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You really need to give this a rest. It was a stupid (and wildly false) thing to say the first time. Doubling down on it isn't helping you.
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You really need to give this a rest. It was a stupid (and wildly false) thing to say the first time. Doubling down on it isn't helping you.
Well, someone actually did try to kill a cyclist on purpose in the news story that started this thread. That's pretty extreme. Not the definition of war for sure, but the cyclist sure isn't lost in the semantics.
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+1. No one is forcing him to make use of his account.
No one is being forced to respond, that's fo sho.

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Two things:

1. Limit your exposure to the more dangerous cycling scenarios. It does not seem very intuitive for a bicycle message board to tell people to ride LESS, but it is a reasonable solution. Ride less on roads that are the most dangerous.
Are you effing kidding me? There's not a soul here who doesn't know that Joey. There is no value whatsoever to stating something that obvious. NONE.

Let's see a show of hands of all the people in this thread for whom the above isn't painfully obvious.
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Are you effing kidding me? There's not a soul here who doesn't know that Joey...
I woudn't have to look very far to find a thread that starts: "I was just riding along on a high speed, curvy, no shoulder, 2-lane country road when _______________ happened." And it was foggy. Or whatever. A&S is full of those for the 12 years I've been here.

There is a lot of denial in the cycling community about risky behavior. And entitlement. "Five people got run over on that road last year but gall-darn-it I have EVERY RIGHT to ride my bike on that road!" Yes, you do. Godspeed.

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I woudn't have to look very far to find a thread that starts: "I was just riding along on a high speed, curvy, no shoulder, 2-lane country road when _______________ happened." And it was foggy. Or whatever. A&S is full of those for the 12 years I've been here.

There is a lot of denial in the cycling community about risky behavior. And entitlement. "Five people got run over on that road last year but gall-darn-it I have EVERY RIGHT to ride my bike on that road!" Yes, you do. Godspeed.
Then use that wonderful mind of yours to point to the specific risk factors that push the conditions beyond your level of comfort Joey. You are sure smart enough to process the responses to you in this thread alone. Folks aren't finding value in comments like this: "I am not surprised." That is a NO value contribution, and it's symbolic of far too many of your posts since you made your decision to drastically curtail your recreational riding. And that's unfortunate. With the breadth of your riding experiences and sharply analytical mind, you can bring much more to the table than that. "I am not surprised" is a troll for attention.
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