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Old 11-15-18, 07:30 PM
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Talk About a Freak Accident

Wwrong way driver collides with bus as cyclist (pedestrian) is stowing bike on the buses rack.
​​​​​​​https://www.tampabay.com/news/publicsafety/pedestrian-killed-in-crash-with-wrong-way-driver-while-loading-bicycle-onto-psta-bus-20181112/
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Old 11-15-18, 07:55 PM
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https://www.tbo.com/news/breaking/re...-bus-20181113/

https://www.abcactionnews.com/news/r...s-deputies-say

So, the driver had a blood alcohol level of 0.083 (hospital blood draw?), barely above the legal limit at the time the blood was drawn.

Driver charged with DUI manslaughter and DUI involving property damage, and released on $20,500 bail.

It will be interesting to see additional details such ass whether a corner was involved, or something caused a loss of control. One would hope a driver could see a bus stopped in front of themselves.
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Old 11-15-18, 09:08 PM
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I would hardly call this a freak accident.

"Freak" implies rarity. Drunks cause collisions all the time so much so that there are specific laws against driving after drinking.

"Accident" implies no-fault. Hardly any collisions are no-fault. They are usually caused by negligence of some sort - like following too closely or driving too fast for the conditions or not paying attention.
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Old 11-16-18, 04:56 AM
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Originally Posted by CliffordK View Post
It will be interesting to see additional details such ass whether a corner was involved, or something caused a loss of control. One would hope a driver could see a bus stopped in front of themselves.
If the driver was on the wrong side of the road .... that indicates some impairment, eh? Also (you might not drive so might not know this) going around a corner does Not cause a loss of control for non-impaired drivers.

Whether or not the driver saw the bus is moot ... the driver apparently was not aware enough to recognize which side of the road he was on.

Not sure how long after the crash the driver's blood was drawn ... but the fact that the driver was fully and entirely on the wrong side of the yellow line, and his vehicle was not at an angle, seems to indicate that the guy was not in a good enough mental state to be operating a motor vehicle.

One of the articles does say "out of control" but to look at the photos, there is no indication of excessive speed or swerving. No skid marks, and the damage to the bus and car seems to be minor. Even if the driver had just turned a corner ... why was he in the wrong lane? No way to know, but one would have to assume a fair degree of impairment.

One could hope one could see the bus, or the yellow lines, or the fact that in a divided two-lane roadway, the driver was in the wrong lane.

I agree, I would like to know more about how the driver failed to recognize where on the road he was ..... doubt i will get a satisfactory answer.
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Old 11-16-18, 07:24 AM
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Originally Posted by CliffordK View Post
It will be interesting to see additional details such ass whether a corner was involved, or something caused a loss of control. One would hope a driver could see a bus stopped in front of themselves.
Road straight as an arrow with 30mph speed limit. Hard to imagine losing control with those conditions. Even distraction or driver's degree of impairment doesn't explain how he veered that far off track.
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Old 11-16-18, 08:00 AM
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Originally Posted by Daniel4 View Post
I would hardly call this a freak accident.

"Freak" implies rarity. Drunks cause collisions all the time so much so that there are specific laws against driving after drinking.

"Accident" implies no-fault. Hardly any collisions are no-fault. They are usually caused by negligence of some sort - like following too closely or driving too fast for the conditions or not paying attention.
I prefer the word "collision " myself.

​​​​​​​as for BAC , the first article didn't have that detail...
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Old 11-16-18, 12:18 PM
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Camouflage paint on the bus?



What an odd road design, with buses apparently stopping in the middle of the road to load and unload bicycles.

It us hard to estimate the speed the driver was going based on the photo. It is quite possible that the impact was at a relatively low speed. Being in a "pinch point" is inherently extremely dangerous, and could well have been fatal with a 5-10 MPH impact.

Intoxication likely played a significant role. But, there may well have been something else too. Cell phone? Changing radio channel? Spilled Coffee? Bee? And, if a concussion was involved, then nobody will quite remember what was happening inside of the car. 2:00 PM is less likely for a drowsy driver, but it is possible, after all, the driver was already drinking.
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Old 11-16-18, 05:02 PM
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That is a new one for me.

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Old 11-16-18, 05:56 PM
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There was a report of just the opposite happening with the bus running over the cyclist who was trying to remove his bike.

Detroit bus strikes, kills man retrieving bicycle

Being in front of a large vehicle is a bad place to be, but one must concentrate on the bus and driver very carefully.

Unfortunately in the Florida accident above, just the opposite happened, with the cyclist likely hit from behind. He might not have known a thing unless there were brakes squealing.
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Originally Posted by CliffordK View Post
There was a report of just the opposite happening with the bus running over the cyclist who was trying to remove his bike.

Detroit bus strikes, kills man retrieving bicycle

Being in front of a large vehicle is a bad place to be, but one must concentrate on the bus and driver very carefully.
A bus driver tried to do that to me once after I told her and she acknowledged I was getting the bike out of the rack as I got off the bus. My fog horn voice is the only thing that got her to stop (her eyes sure were not working).
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Old 11-16-18, 11:52 PM
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Every day I deal with motorists driving on the wrong side of the road. Sometimes I swear we must have had a huge influx of Australians. On my way to a city-sponsored webinar the other day, I was approaching a light that had just turned green. A car that was approaching the intersection from the opposite direction made a left turn in front of me. The only problem is the street he turned onto is one-way from my right to left. I immediately stopped and he quickly realized his error and turned back towards me. Had I not seen it coming and stopped, he might have taken a bite out of my front wheel.

I am beginning to wonder why no one seems able to make a right turn without driving on the wrong side of the road on the street they enter. Is it because they're all holding a vibrating toy and that makes turning the steering wheel fully difficult, or is there some other reason?
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Old 11-17-18, 12:51 AM
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Originally Posted by CliffordK View Post
Camouflage paint on the bus?



What an odd road design, with buses apparently stopping in the middle of the road to load and unload bicycles.

It us hard to estimate the speed the driver was going based on the photo. It is quite possible that the impact was at a relatively low speed. Being in a "pinch point" is inherently extremely dangerous, and could well have been fatal with a 5-10 MPH impact.

Intoxication likely played a significant role. But, there may well have been something else too. Cell phone? Changing radio channel? Spilled Coffee? Bee? And, if a concussion was involved, then nobody will quite remember what was happening inside of the car. 2:00 PM is less likely for a drowsy driver, but it is possible, after all, the driver was already drinking.
That appears to be a local bus (note the trolley type roof) popular in Florida. They're designed to shuttle passengers in and around the business districts within a city typically for free.

Transit/county buses have a different design with a transit logo and much more intensive driver training. They are required to pull to the curb. Not sure that would have made a difference.
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Old 11-19-18, 12:11 PM
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Gee, a wrong way driver kills someone in the Tampa Bay area. What a shock. I swear every week you can expect a report about a wrong way driver killing someone in this area.
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