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Old 12-31-18, 03:31 PM
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Dangerous drivers everywhere but laws and penalties migh prevent breaking rules and ensure drive safetly.But We should stop at stop sign and red light because We dont have a bodywork or airbag like a car.We dont have enough protection till car.We have to think ourselves.for alive
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Old 12-31-18, 03:40 PM
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Originally Posted by DESERTFOX_TR View Post
Dangerous drivers everywhere but laws and penalties migh prevent breaking rules and ensure drive safetly.But We should stop at stop sign and red light because We dont have a bodywork or airbag like a car.We dont have enough protection till car.We have to think ourselves.for alive
No one is suggesting that we run a red light. That's just downright stupid. Riding safely doesn't mean that we follow rules of the road that are meant for cars. It means using your common sense and best judgment to avoid dangerous situations.

Laws and penalties don't prevent rule breaking.
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Originally Posted by mcours2006 View Post
No one is suggesting that we run a red light. That's just downright stupid. Riding safely doesn't mean that we follow rules of the road that are meant for cars. It means using your common sense and best judgment to avoid dangerous situations.

Laws and penalties don't prevent rule breaking.
You are exactly right.Laws and rules for everyone but Someone get easily a driver license and a car and world population increasing faster and everyday increase cars and drivers.I claim that turkish drivers worst than europe or us. citizen drivers.Rules and laws dont protect cyclist or pedestrian.Safe cycling is problem everywhere (except several countries).
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Originally Posted by mcours2006 View Post
No one is suggesting that we run a red light.
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Old 12-31-18, 04:14 PM
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Originally Posted by JoeyBike View Post
I forgot about that video you posted way back when...
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Originally Posted by mcours2006 View Post
This is no great revelation. One only has to stand at a four way stop-signed intersection for a minute to witness it. Motorists complain about cyclists running stop signs. Cyclists complain about motorists doing the same thing. So what? Two lefts make a right?
Nope, you are right in that the errant behaviour of one does not forgive the errant behaviour of the other...

But then, that wasn't my point... my only point is that motorists are like fools in glass houses pitching rocks... they are quite guilty of the very issue they somehow believe cyclists "own."

Now as someone pointed out... in Idaho and apparently in parts of the UK, it is understood that cyclists are not really capable of the damage motorists may cause, and therefore the laws reflect this reality.
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I come to a complete stop if I feel that it is the safest thing to do at the time. If a car is behind me I will usually roll the stop sign so I don't get rear ended by a distracted driver. If there is no one around, I blaze through the intersection yelling "EFF THE PO-LEECE" at the top of my lungs.

For stop lights, I come to a complete stop and if cars are around I wait for the green light.

If cars are treating me like a road vehicle (respecting my right to the lane), I follow the rules of the road as much as possible.

And for the record, three lefts make a right.
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Originally Posted by scotton View Post
And for the record, three lefts make a right.
Quite right, sir. My obscure reference was from the children's book the BFG who speaks more eloquently than I could.
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Old 12-31-18, 05:19 PM
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Originally Posted by work4bike View Post
I do Idaho Stops; however, if there are any other car(s) at the other points of the intersection, then I come to a complete stop and wave them thru. I think most cyclists believe that Idaho Stop, means you don't have to stop, period. Wrong...Whenever there's a question in the timing of who arrives first, I stop.
If there's nobody around I may Idaho, but if anyone can see me I feel like I need to stop just to show that cyclists can follow the rules. If there's no one around and visibility's obscured, I'll do a clearing turn, rolling into a right turn then a U-ie and another right instead of rolling straight across.

I'm with you, I wave them through. I'm happy if they want to get in front .. go on, drive on out of my life, please.

I also take the lane when approaching stop signs
Same here. Approaching the stop until I've moved past the intersection, I'm occupying that lane.
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I give cars and traffic their right of way. If nobodies there,I go.
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had an argument w Wifey last night. she was driving at night, in the rain, on new year's eve. I had to keep reminding her to actually stop her car at stops signs. so frustrating
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Originally Posted by rseeker View Post

Same here. Approaching the stop until I've moved past the intersection, I'm occupying that lane.
Yeah, I thought that would work too... had a guy cross the yellow line and try to pass me in the oncoming traffic lane on a quiet residential street (Speed limit 25MPH) We ended up arriving at the stop sign at about the same time... with him on the wrong side of the road. Classic stupid. They ARE out there.
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Old 01-01-19, 02:44 PM
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2 pages of nonsense.
OP did a poor job trying to make an incorrect point.
A gigantic percentage(I would be willing to bet it is well over 90%) of all road cyclists in my area run every stop sign they encounter if there is no traffic around.
I also do.
But only a much smaller % of motorists run stop signs.
Only a cycling nutjob or a fool believes otherwise.
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Old 01-02-19, 06:00 PM
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Originally Posted by texbiker View Post
On streets with light traffic I slow down to an almost stop and then ride through.
Same for me. Pretty much exactly like what I do when driving. Obviously, I stop completely and wait my turn if someone is there before me.
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Old 01-04-19, 07:35 AM
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Originally Posted by work4bike View Post
That dude needs to fix his brakes.
Only part of his video that irritated me. The driving seemed fine.

Adults should Think, and not try to live according to random signs on the road side. If a driver approaches a stop sign--or a red light--and sees no traffic in any dangerous proximity ... what is gained by stopping?

The only reason we get hung up on the stuff is because some folks are stupid ... and we want to be able to assign blame afterwards. But that shouldn't limit the smart folks.

I treat stop signs as suggestions. I gauge my actions by conditions. I won't go if I have a green light and will die because I go, right? I stop as long as I need to--if I need to--to make sure i am safe and I am not impinging on anyone else's rights or way of travel (simple courtesy and also basic survival.)

Cracks me up that people sit for two or three minutes at a red light with no car anywhere within miles ... except when i have to do it because I am afraid of a red-light camera or a cop i didn't see in some parking lot, watching. Howe is Anybody safer because I am sitting there when I can see a mile in every direction and see nothing is coming?

Same principle applies everywhere. My "Rules of the road"are "Don't crash, don't cause crashes, " followed by "Don't be a dick--ever."

Plenty of times I have had cars pull across the road or pull into traffic and had to catch myself getting angry---then realize that the car made a perfectly safe maneuver with plenty of room, in no way created any kind of hazard, didn't endanger anybody, and just seized an opportunity. I wasn't expecting it, so i got scared, then got mad ... but after seeing myself do that a few times I learned ... which is even funnier because that is probably how most drivers react when they see a bike taking a lane on a busy road ... they get scared they might hit me, they get angry, then they realize I was blocking the lane because it wasn't safe for them to pass and I did them and myself a favor.

Look, if a guy rolls a light and no one is around to hit or be hit ... who cares if it happens? I care about Safety, not rote reaction to road signs. I care about people being observant and making smart choices.

I find that major intersections are hairy because i have to wait for the lights, and then I go, the cars go in both directions, plus turn, some of them ... and because of the traffic volume, there is less room for cars to give me room. Either Everyone has to wait for me to clip in and crawl across the intersection, or I have to squeeze past traffic. It is Much safer if I go to the head of the line and leave early, so I get across the intersection before the cars---but that involves jumping the green light, which is a crime. Instead, I sit, I wait, I go, I get squeezed into the piles of gravel and debris next to the travel lanes, I get pushed onto the bad pavement ... but if I am commuting and it is rush hour, my only option is to Not ride to work or back home.

Some cities have recognized the problem and have special "bike and pedestrian:" green lights ahead of the main traffic lights ... everywhere else, i either break the law or add to my and everyone else's risk.

So yeah ... Drive Safely. Ride Smart. Use your eyes and your brain, not the traffic signs, to determine when it is safe to proceed or not. I am cool with that. Don't whine about trivia.

And keep your brakes adjusted.
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Originally Posted by genec View Post
Yeah, I thought that would work too... had a guy cross the yellow line and try to pass me in the oncoming traffic lane on a quiet residential street (Speed limit 25MPH) We ended up arriving at the stop sign at about the same time... with him on the wrong side of the road. Classic stupid. They ARE out there.
Yep, happened to me as well. Impossibly stupid.

On topic, I also will roll through a stop sign when there is no traffic, most often when I am making a right hand turn. With traffic I will stop. At a light, I stop.
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Originally Posted by genec View Post
had a guy cross the yellow line and try to pass me in the oncoming traffic lane on a quiet residential street (Speed limit 25MPH) We ended up arriving at the stop sign at about the same time... with him on the wrong side of the road. Classic stupid. They ARE out there.
Originally Posted by Aubergine View Post

Yep, happened to me as well. Impossibly stupid.
Had similar encounters .... the car always beat me because I would ease off... which is good because the car always cut back across my path and would have hit me had I persisted at speed. They want to hit the stop sing first? Let 'em.

But ... because I Know they are out there, I am ready when they show up. They haven't got me yet.

@genec's situation is by far the most comical (and dangerous.) They looks on everybody else's faces when a car pulled up from the other direction would be priceless.
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On an icy winter's night, I was returning via a residential road and I had the right of way. The driver was skidding down a hill in my direction. He did not come to a complete stop, instead rolled through a stop sign. Even though I had my high-viz gear on and all my lights, the driver would not have seen me, and even if he did, he wouldn't have been able to stop because he was skidding on ice. Luckily, that all happened in front of me. Had I left work 5 seconds later, I might have been toast.
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Originally Posted by Maelochs View Post
Only part of his video that irritated me. The driving seemed fine.

Adults should Think, and not try to live according to random signs on the road side. If a driver approaches a stop sign--or a red light--and sees no traffic in any dangerous proximity ... what is gained by stopping?

The only reason we get hung up on the stuff is because some folks are stupid ... and we want to be able to assign blame afterwards. But that shouldn't limit the smart folks.

I treat stop signs as suggestions. I gauge my actions by conditions. I won't go if I have a green light and will die because I go, right? I stop as long as I need to--if I need to--to make sure i am safe and I am not impinging on anyone else's rights or way of travel (simple courtesy and also basic survival.)

Cracks me up that people sit for two or three minutes at a red light with no car anywhere within miles ... except when i have to do it because I am afraid of a red-light camera or a cop i didn't see in some parking lot, watching. Howe is Anybody safer because I am sitting there when I can see a mile in every direction and see nothing is coming?

Same principle applies everywhere. My "Rules of the road"are "Don't crash, don't cause crashes, " followed by "Don't be a dick--ever."

Plenty of times I have had cars pull across the road or pull into traffic and had to catch myself getting angry---then realize that the car made a perfectly safe maneuver with plenty of room, in no way created any kind of hazard, didn't endanger anybody, and just seized an opportunity. I wasn't expecting it, so i got scared, then got mad ... but after seeing myself do that a few times I learned ... which is even funnier because that is probably how most drivers react when they see a bike taking a lane on a busy road ... they get scared they might hit me, they get angry, then they realize I was blocking the lane because it wasn't safe for them to pass and I did them and myself a favor.

Look, if a guy rolls a light and no one is around to hit or be hit ... who cares if it happens? I care about Safety, not rote reaction to road signs. I care about people being observant and making smart choices.

I find that major intersections are hairy because i have to wait for the lights, and then I go, the cars go in both directions, plus turn, some of them ... and because of the traffic volume, there is less room for cars to give me room. Either Everyone has to wait for me to clip in and crawl across the intersection, or I have to squeeze past traffic. It is Much safer if I go to the head of the line and leave early, so I get across the intersection before the cars---but that involves jumping the green light, which is a crime. Instead, I sit, I wait, I go, I get squeezed into the piles of gravel and debris next to the travel lanes, I get pushed onto the bad pavement ... but if I am commuting and it is rush hour, my only option is to Not ride to work or back home.

Some cities have recognized the problem and have special "bike and pedestrian:" green lights ahead of the main traffic lights ... everywhere else, i either break the law or add to my and everyone else's risk.

So yeah ... Drive Safely. Ride Smart. Use your eyes and your brain, not the traffic signs, to determine when it is safe to proceed or not. I am cool with that. Don't whine about trivia.

And keep your brakes adjusted.
Please, logic doesn't belong in this section of the forum. Cars are bad, bikes are good. Drivers are bad, cyclists are good. That's all you need to know.

By majority logic in this forum, in my car on the way to work when I am sitting in the middle of nowhere in the left turn lane of a 4 lane highway and country road intersection at 5 am in the morning with the left turn lane red and through traffic green that won't cycle until cross traffic comes to their red light, I should just sit who knows how long with no car anywhere for about a mile forward, half mile to the left and right, and about a mile and a half behind me instead of stopping and proceeding through my left turn lane red light.
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So what?None of the law breakers in the video came close to doing anything unsafe to anyone else in the vicinity. A boring nothing worth whining about... what's next, video of cyclists rolling stop signs that upset the equilibrium of would-be McGruffs?

Do you use that as a defense when you're pulled over for a rolling stop? How well does it work out? Really Claude, you'll have to do better than that.
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Originally Posted by Maelochs View Post
Only part of his video that irritated me. The driving seemed fine.

Adults should Think, and not try to live according to random signs on the road side. If a driver approaches a stop sign--or a red light--and sees no traffic in any dangerous proximity ... what is gained by stopping?

The only reason we get hung up on the stuff is because some folks are stupid ... and we want to be able to assign blame afterwards. But that shouldn't limit the smart folks.

I treat stop signs as suggestions. I gauge my actions by conditions. I won't go if I have a green light and will die because I go, right? I stop as long as I need to--if I need to--to make sure i am safe and I am not impinging on anyone else's rights or way of travel (simple courtesy and also basic survival.)

Cracks me up that people sit for two or three minutes at a red light with no car anywhere within miles ... except when i have to do it because I am afraid of a red-light camera or a cop i didn't see in some parking lot, watching. Howe is Anybody safer because I am sitting there when I can see a mile in every direction and see nothing is coming?

Same principle applies everywhere. My "Rules of the road"are "Don't crash, don't cause crashes, " followed by "Don't be a dick--ever."

Plenty of times I have had cars pull across the road or pull into traffic and had to catch myself getting angry---then realize that the car made a perfectly safe maneuver with plenty of room, in no way created any kind of hazard, didn't endanger anybody, and just seized an opportunity. I wasn't expecting it, so i got scared, then got mad ... but after seeing myself do that a few times I learned ... which is even funnier because that is probably how most drivers react when they see a bike taking a lane on a busy road ... they get scared they might hit me, they get angry, then they realize I was blocking the lane because it wasn't safe for them to pass and I did them and myself a favor.

Look, if a guy rolls a light and no one is around to hit or be hit ... who cares if it happens? I care about Safety, not rote reaction to road signs. I care about people being observant and making smart choices.

I find that major intersections are hairy because i have to wait for the lights, and then I go, the cars go in both directions, plus turn, some of them ... and because of the traffic volume, there is less room for cars to give me room. Either Everyone has to wait for me to clip in and crawl across the intersection, or I have to squeeze past traffic. It is Much safer if I go to the head of the line and leave early, so I get across the intersection before the cars---but that involves jumping the green light, which is a crime. Instead, I sit, I wait, I go, I get squeezed into the piles of gravel and debris next to the travel lanes, I get pushed onto the bad pavement ... but if I am commuting and it is rush hour, my only option is to Not ride to work or back home.

Some cities have recognized the problem and have special "bike and pedestrian:" green lights ahead of the main traffic lights ... everywhere else, i either break the law or add to my and everyone else's risk.

So yeah ... Drive Safely. Ride Smart. Use your eyes and your brain, not the traffic signs, to determine when it is safe to proceed or not. I am cool with that. Don't whine about trivia.

And keep your brakes adjusted.
Just a very good post!
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Originally Posted by KraneXL View Post
Do you use that as a defense when you're pulled over for a rolling stop? How well does it work out? Really Claude, you'll have to do better than that.
That's an important point of discussion. If I thought I could get away with it in my car, I'd operate it just like I do my bike. In this area cops don't seem to are when bicyclists break the law without endangering themselves or others. Not so with motor vehicle operators. The threat of enforcement action shapes my behavior.
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Bikes and cars are different!

On a bike I have oodles of time to scope out the intersection as I approach. I slow down but only stop if traffic conditions make stopping necessary. In a car speed approaching the intersection and more limited visibility call for coming to a full stop, so I do.
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