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Old 02-20-19, 08:10 PM
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They shouldn't be driving at all if they're blind, not alone passing...
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Old 03-02-19, 09:31 AM
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I ride where I need to ride which is usually close to the edge or pavement beyond the white line which my area has a lot of. If they choose to pass me and cross the line near a bend, where it may appear to me to be totally unsafe, where I feel they should or should not, or maybe where I would not have in their shoes... That is not my problem or decision or place. I am not the defacto road steward, person of "higher responsibility", flagman, or assumed traffic cop or crossing guard and no better or more informed than anyone else that might think otherwise. I am just the guy on a bike there at that time being as consistent and steady as I can doing my thing. I just want my minimum 2-3 feet spacing if and when they decide to pass.

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Old 03-02-19, 11:44 AM
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Originally Posted by u235 View Post
I ride where I need to ride which is usually close to the edge or pavement beyond the white line which my area has a lot of.

If they choose to pass me and cross the line near a bend, where it may appear to me to be totally unsafe, where I feel they should or should not, or maybe where I would not have in their shoes...

That is not my problem or decision or place. I am not the defacto road steward, person of "higher responsibility", flagman, or assumed traffic cop or crossing guard and no better or more informed than anyone else that might think otherwise.

I am just the guy on a bike there at that time being as consistent and steady as I can doing my thing. I just want my minimum 2-3 feet spacing if and when they decide to pass.
IMO too, I think lane positioning is pragmatic.
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It's all situational
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…However, riding venues for me are situational, and I use my judgement
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Regarding the question of taking the lane, I’ve always felt it is a question of pragmatism, though I probably too obsequiously favor keeping the drivers happy by staying FRAP. Recently I posted on this thread:
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My usual routes are pretty safe…early morning or after rush hour in the evening, in the reverse commuting direction, on residential(though somewhat busy) and light commercial thoroughfares.

On a few rides over the past few days I have tried out the more aggressive position, in the right tire track, with very good results. I can easilymonitor the driver's responses in my rearview mirror...so far no aggressive maneuvers or honking.

I also like your strategy of gently nudging towards the center, then relenting towards the right. And I always give a wave to the cooperative driver, either before or after their pass...
Furthermore, I just yesterday replied to this thread on the Advocacy & safety Forum:
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Here's a question for everyone here. In a couple of other forums that I'm a member of (I'm able to Facebook from my phone) there is a member who seems to think that we as cyclists "have" to "acknowledge" motorists within the first 5-seconds that we realize that they're behind us.

I think that doing so sends the message that the time and destination of the motorists is somehow more important than our time and destination. And I know of no other class of vehicle operator that is "required" to "acknowledge" traffic behind them.
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although if we're on a road that is straight and has good sight lines, I'll wave a car by.

Or if we're on a road that has a curve and I can see that the motorist behind me is about to attempt a pass I'll put out the slow/stop signal to get them to stay behind me
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…I have posted frequently about the drivers that pass me,either to curse or bless them (link), depending on the pass, but mostly ignore them. I don’t particularly acknowledge drivers behind me either, but monitor them with my mirrors.

I recall posting that I don’t direct drivers to pass me, or hold up, but leave it up to them.

When I take the lane, I use a tactic of catch and release, i.e when about 20-30 feet behind, I shift right if possible and release the lane, with a wave of acknowledgement, kind of a “preemptory blessing.”
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Old 03-02-19, 12:53 PM
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Old 03-05-19, 08:25 AM
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There's not much you can do to change behavior of other drivers.

The person who suggested a camera was part way there. I would recommend that. It won't necessarily prevent an incident, but it might. More importantly, if something does happen, it provides an invaluable source in the case where the driver tries to lie and blame you. Based on my experience, this will be 100% of the time. Most people simply don't want to take responsibility for their own actions.

However, like you said, calling and reporting to the police every time someone passes to close is a lot of work.

There's a better, easier solution: https://closecalldatabase.com/

Simply cut a clip from your commute, and upload to this database. This has two effects: 1) If they get a bunch of reports with the same license plate number, their database flags it, and they will call the local police for you (remember, you may not be the only local rider uploading video). and 2) if something does happen, they can check their database for others and your previous uploads and possibly show a pattern.

Other than that, you're pretty much doing everything you can. Drivers in that area (I used to live in Wichita) can really suck.
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Old 03-05-19, 11:22 AM
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Originally Posted by Notso_fastLane View Post
...Most people simply don't want to take responsibility for their own actions....
I have noticed ^^this right here on BF. People engage in activities that put themselves at risk, then don't believe that getting smacked has anything to do with their choices and actions. It's always someone else's fault.

Like running with the bulls and complaining about getting trampled.
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Old 03-14-19, 11:21 PM
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Originally Posted by guythatbrews View Post
I am kinda frustrated with the whole cars passing blind deal. This is far and away the most dangerous thing I deal with. My commute is very winding with lots of rolling hills. Some of the hills are short and steep. I live on a residential lake so sight lines here are VERY short. After leaving the lake the ride is mostly rural (and a great ride!) until close to work where I encouter suburban drivers heading to work, i.e. impatient drivers. I am lucky no urban entaglement but lots of rednecks and unenlightened.

Credit where credit is due, some drivers are vey courteous and understanding. Maybe 2/3's or better. And I try to be visible as possible without being annoying. Lights and bright clothing, etc. I HOPE everyone sees me.

Taking the lane doesn't seem to help at all. The dummies just pass farther to the left. Even to the point of using the left shoulder if they have to. I used to signal an (uninteded) left turn thinking that will stop them passing. They would still zoom past. Finally realized they thought I was signalling them "safe to pass". Blind curve, up a hill, doesn't seem to matter. I usually take the lane and keep a mirror eye on approaching drivers. As soon as it is clear they are passers I switch to FRAP, realizing that is where I'm headed anyway when they meet oncoming traffic. Right or wrong I can't win that scrape.

I realize some people are just gonna pass. Rationally I know I will not delay their commute long. But long ago I realized you can't rationalize with the irrational. And there is still a surprising number of folks here of the "get your bike off the road" mindset.

My son's car was totaled on the lake road by a soccer mom passing blind. She was climbing a hill behind a dumptruck, impatient to make a left turn. My son was coming down the hill. As soon as she could see the road to the left she initiated her turn, directly into the path of my son. Dumptruck "took the lane" and she ignored and turned blindly! Clueless and a very possible fatality for a cyclist.

So I realize I can't stop this behaviour, but it still really bothers me. Like a ticking time bomb under my saddle. What do I do about it? Hollering does no good IMO. They probably can't hear anyway. I might get a freon horn to show displeasure. If I was driving I would honk so why not? Drivers understand an angry honk! The local police say if I bring in a video they will talk to the owner of the car. It seems to me this might be the best way to change behaviour. Has anyone done this? I don't have a cam and it seems kinda a lot of work, like a second job. And I don't really want to be a police officer.

I've seen some heated arguments about taking the lane vs FRAP and I hope this doesn't devolve into one of those. RIght or wrong, taking the lane doesn't work HERE.
The drivers behind you. Who are impatient and have the 'me first' attitude, are mentally a lost cause. Don't worry about their mindset. Just make yourself visible.
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Old 03-15-19, 02:39 AM
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Unfortunately there is very little or nothing you can do as a cyclist to prevent motorists from overtaking you in dangerous places. A lot of otherwise rational people develop a dangerous and aggressive mindset as soon as they get behind the wheel and all you can do is ride carefully, as you seem to do, and prepare for the MGIFs.

A good part of my commute is on narrow country lanes and I am frequently overtaken by drivers in dangerous places, at dangerous speeds. There is no way I can prevent them doing this other than riding primary, and doing this puts me at risk from traffic coming from behind at high speed and oncoming traffic. It does however, give me a safety cushion of 2 - 3 feet from the verge so I will usually adopt this as a survival strategy.
To give an idea of this the picture below shows a stretch of lane I ride on quite often. It's winding, with a few blind crests and bridges like the one in the picture. The speed limit on here is 60mph, and a lot of drivers will do this speed. Don't be fooled by the hatchings on the road in the foreground incidentally; it's a weak bridge and the makings are there to keep traffic in the centre of the road, not to denote a cycle lane.



I will never wave a driver past when the road is clear - if they do go past and I misjudge it and they hit me or another road user where does liability end up? On the (all too rare) occasions when a driver passes wide and safely I'll give them a wave of thanks but that's the sole interaction.

Finally, I carry a camera in plain view. It works for me in two ways.
Firstly, and most importantly, the sight of a camera does have an effect on how motorists behave around you. I find I get far fewer close passes and motorists are less likely to pull out in front of me when I'm carrying the camera.
Secondly, because my local police force are quite pro-active, I can submit video to them easily and they will take action. Their normal process is either a warning letter to the RK or a visit to the RK's home by traffic officer, but they can and do prosecute using submitted video - the screengrab from the video below earned the driver a visit from A&S Police. The warnings do work; I see the same vehicles frequently on my commutes and have never seen a repeat of a reported close pass.

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Old 03-15-19, 03:14 AM
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Originally Posted by ExPatTyke View Post
Looking at that picture, first thing that comes to mind is the scene at the end of Lawrence of Arabia where he's killed on his motorcycle. Beautiful setting. Stay safe.

(I'll have to watch it again and make sure I'm not imagining things. It's been a while.)

(Well I just watched it and he swerved to avoid a couple people on bicycles, which doesn't really fit the narrative does it? So never mind.)


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Old 03-15-19, 06:40 AM
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Originally Posted by rseeker View Post
Looking at that picture, first thing that comes to mind is the scene at the end of Lawrence of Arabia where he's killed on his motorcycle. Beautiful setting. Stay safe.
(I'll have to watch it again and make sure I'm not imagining things. It's been a while.)
(Well I just watched it and he swerved to avoid a couple people on bicycles, which doesn't really fit the narrative does it? So never mind.)
That's one of those classic films I really should have watched but have never got round to. More rain forecast for the weekend, so I'll suggest sitting down and watching it to Mrs EPT. Just looked up the location for it incidentally and it's Chobham in Surrey.
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Originally Posted by ExPatTyke View Post
- the screengrab from the video below earned the driver a visit from A&S Police.
Wow. " ...a visit from the A&S Police" ... a phrase that strikes terror into so many of the posters here, I am sure .....
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Old 03-17-19, 08:26 PM
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The A&S Police never looked as good as Cheap Trick though.
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Originally Posted by Maelochs View Post
Wow. " ...a visit from the A&S Police" ... a phrase that strikes terror into so many of the posters here, I am sure .....
Ha ha, I hadn't noticed the significance when I typed that . The Avon and Somerset force was the intended meaning.
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I saw them open for Robert Plant. They did pretty well .... but by comparison .....
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