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Old 03-09-19, 10:13 PM
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Originally Posted by Digital_Cowboy View Post
I know someone who swears up and down that fully autonomous self-driving cars are not only the "wave of the future," BUT that they'll be here LONG before the actual experts have predicted that they'll be here. Not only that but he thinks that they'll "replace" public/mass transit, and that they'll be a boon to both cyclist, but pedestrian safety.

About the only thing that I agree with him with regards to fully autonomous self-driving cars, is that we as cyclists and pedestrians shouldn't have to wear any sort of transponder so that they'll know where we are.

He is also very surprised that people are still talking about the failures from companies like Tesla and Uber instead of all of the successes.
Let's see, the Tesla and the Uber are not suppose to be fully autonomous, in fact the 3 out of 4 deaths were by Tesla, and Tesla blamed the driver for not paying attention to their driving! The one was an Uber car that hit a pedestrian that the system never saw but there was no driver in the car but rather a backup driver? Uber paid out damages to the family, but now the backup driver is in huge legal trouble because she was watching a show on her phone, and why not? she was told she was just the backup driver and that the car did the driving and she wouldn't have too. Uber gets blamed for experimenting with what is called potentially deadly technology in public. But this example shows that not only are these systems not ready but it also shows that a person who is suppose to be observing what is going on around them like they would if they were driving is lulled into a false sense of security. The exact same lulled into a false sense of security happened to all the Tesla car drivers as well. It's too easy to be fooled by the car supposedly driving itself.
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Old 03-10-19, 08:43 AM
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Originally Posted by greatscott View Post
The one was an Uber car that hit a pedestrian that the system never saw but there was no driver in the car but rather a backup driver?
Incorrect, the system hardware "saw" the pedestrian approximately six seconds before impact but the system software did not interpret and/or react as a driver would/should respond by initiating any braking and steering accident avoidance maneuvers. The system just maintained its velocity and direction without change until impact.

https://www.cnbc.com/2018/05/24/uber...cials-say.html
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Old 03-10-19, 07:02 PM
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As i recall, Uber had turned off some safety features built into teh Saab because they interfered with Uber's software. The car "saw" the pedestrian but failed to identify it as an obstacle, I guess. The safety driver, who was there for Exactly this situation, was not paying attention. However, the show (some American idol clone) had just ended and the driver had just finished reading the comments. The driver Could have been looking at system alerts posted to her phone by Uber when the collision occurred (which is still distracted driving, obviously. Great thought went into that system one can see.) .

Uber would likely still be on the hook for major legal action if the company had not offered what we must suppose was a generous payoff to the victim's family. The victim was homeless, had a history of substance abuse, and as I recall had trace amounts of some substances in hr system at the time of the crash. She was heading across a dark street, about 100 yard upstream of a marked cross walk, passing a sign saying "Do not cross here," and heading to a popular homeless camp. Uber jumped right on that stuff, using statements made by the local police chief to create the illusion that it wasn't at fault, and "cleaned up" its little problem before the family had time to consider suing the sack off of Uber, unfortunately.

Uber had (and likely still has) the worst AV programming and by far the least success and the highest number of accidents (I did a lot of research back when this happened and anyone who wants can do the same, or search the various threads---or call me out on it I don't care. I might have remembered some stuff wrong ... again, I don't care.)

Basically, Uber spent its time and money lobbying the Arizona government for special treatment, while the big companies were improving their gear.

But whatever the details, i think even the manufacturers will admit that they are not ready to go live with AVs.
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Old 03-10-19, 07:59 PM
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This is EXACTLY what I thought of too when I saw the OP!!! HAHAHAHA

Better Off Ted was a short lives single season comedy. It was okay...but that one episode was one of the funniest half hours of comedy in television history.
The OP was made by me.
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Old 03-11-19, 07:21 AM
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The OP was made by me.
Okay. What's your point?
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Originally Posted by Rollfast View Post
https://www.vox.com/future-perfect/2...icle-dark-skin

So now autonomous cars are also 'racially biased'? Not in a conventional sense, but they have trouble seeing dark skinned pedestrians.

But they can see dark cars?

A bit crazy.
I can think of a plausible reason for the disparity. Most, if not all, auto makers today use metallic paints, so even black cars are sparkly enough to reflect light well. Skin doesn't reflect light well unless you're sweating profusely, and even then it's not great.
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Old 03-12-19, 09:41 AM
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I can think of a plausible reason for the disparity. Most, if not all, auto makers today use metallic paints, so even black cars are sparkly enough to reflect light well. Skin doesn't reflect light well unless you're sweating profusely, and even then it's not great.
As Maleochs has mentioned numerous times in this thread, most humans wear clothes in the out of doors. What skin is visible on the average person is the relatively small amount between hairline and neck! Military snipers may aim for the head during an assassination (or is that just Hollywood?) but all other forms of target acquisition use center of mass. Including, I suspect, ALL AV systems now in use. In fact the sensor suites on all the AV systems I know of are not limited just to visible light. They also use SONAR, LIDAR and Infra-red so that they can operate in all kinds of ambient light and precipitation. The sensor suite (the hardware) is not where any problem lies. We know that the victim of the deadly accident with the Uber AV was jaywalking. Is it crossing a line to speculate that such a possibility might simply not have occurred to a programming team composed of individuals from societies far more orderly than our own? Yep, its very possible that that woman would be alive today if America had not allowed its education system to lapse into dysfunction leading to an over-reliance on the intellectual work products of non-native STEM professionals.
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Old 03-12-19, 10:19 AM
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Originally Posted by Leisesturm View Post
As Maleochs has mentioned numerous times in this thread, most humans wear clothes in the out of doors. What skin is visible on the average person is the relatively small amount between hairline and neck!
Only if you wear a too small balaclava.

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Originally Posted by Rollfast View Post
https://www.vox.com/future-perfect/2...icle-dark-skin

So now autonomous cars are also 'racially biased'? Not in a conventional sense, but they have trouble seeing dark skinned pedestrians.

But they can see dark cars?

A bit crazy.
Beyond crazy
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Okay. What's your point?
You already quoted it.
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