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Old 07-31-19, 05:13 PM
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Free parking is a human right?

Not the Onion.

"potentially grave implications"

"’Residents and building staff will lose available free parking, which will increase their expenses,’ the suit warns. Units at 25 Central Park West typically sell for between $1.2 and $10 million."


You can’t make this, er, stuff, up.

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At least the judge didn't buy their crap.
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Originally Posted by livedarklions View Post
At least the judge didn't buy their crap.
At least *this* judge....

The M14 on the other hand....

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In MY WORLD every multi-MULTIMILLIONAIRE deserves to have a FREE parking spot.
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finding free parking in NYC is an art, especially for out of towners. I'm proud to say I'm good at it. so was my late father-in-law. Wifey's Aunt has an apt in the upper west side & they pay a pretty penny for parking

funny story: one time, when our kids were quite young, as I was getting ready to pull out of a free spot, two ppl started t argue about who would get my spot after I left. but they were blocking my exit. it was crazy

just for laughs ...

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There's a reason it's called PUBLIC Right of way.
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Cars just take up too much space in cities. A multi million dollar home won’t change that fact.
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Oh man, stories like this really remind me how grateful I am to live in the sticks in the Midwest.
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It's just one more way the wealthiest among us stick it to regular people. Las Vegas used to offer free parking for decades. I would go occasionally, never gamble, but enjoy a meal and the attractions. No more. The corporate owners now stick locals and visitors with a hefty parking fees and for those who stay at a resort they get hit with other hidden resort fees. If someone comes to town I am quite willing to take them to the lesser off-strip casinos that don't charge for parking. If they are staying at one with parking fees I pick them up and head elsewhere.

The Midwest is not immune to this practice. I rented a motel room in small town Wisconsin and was hit with some pretty substantial taxes and fees. To top it off the motel was adjacent to a farm where they had just spread the winter's supply of pig manure. I should have stayed just one night and moved on. If I had realized the true cost of the room I probably would have opted for the daily rate and stayed one day.

I can find lots of small owns in the area where I lived that have had to charge for parking. Part is to discourage all-day parking from taking up the spaces for shoppers and the rest is to earn revenue to fix streets. The town of Baraboo, a 30 mile bike ride from where I lived in Madison added parking fees in 2016.
Meter Prices
$2.00 per hour - 5 Hour Max - in Lake Zones (see above map)
$1.00 per hour - 5 Hour Max - in non-Lake Zones (see above map)
$1.00 per hour - 10 Hour Max- Lot I
Free parking - Lot I - with a valid resident sticker
Free parking - Sage Lot D & Dunn Field Lot E
BTW, I haven't come across meters in the Las Vegas Valley except in the various business districts where space is limited. It is not a God given right but I chose to avoid parking fees.

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Originally Posted by farmerjg View Post
Oh man, stories like this really remind me how grateful I am to live in the sticks in the Midwest.
Me too. It's very rare to NOT be able to find a place to park where I live. And the idea of paying to park is pretty much a foreign concept, unless you live in a major city.
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Old 08-19-19, 10:35 AM
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The People of Central Park West Want Their Parking Spaces (Sorry, Cyclists)

"In car-centric Los Angeles, anger over road diets prompted a recall campaign against a City Council member who supported replacing a traffic lane in each direction with protected bike lanes along an unsafe high-speed corridor. The recall campaign failed."

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Originally Posted by mr_bill View Post
The People of Central Park West Want Their Parking Spaces (Sorry, Cyclists)

"In car-centric Los Angeles, anger over road diets prompted a recall campaign against a City Council member who supported replacing a traffic lane in each direction with protected bike lanes along an unsafe high-speed corridor. The recall campaign failed."

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What's not mentioned in the LA case was that the road diet he was advocating for was reversed and the traffic lanes restored. He survived the recall because he backed down.
https://www.latimes.com/local/lanow/...003-story.html
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Old 08-19-19, 11:56 AM
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Originally Posted by livedarklions View Post
What's not mentioned in the LA case was that the road diet he was advocating for was reversed and the traffic lanes restored. He survived the recall because he backed down.
https://www.latimes.com/local/lanow/...003-story.html
“They ignore the facts,” he said. “And they are basically disrespecting the work of all the neighborhood folks who volunteered their time to work with the councilman’s office on traffic reduction and making the neighborhood safer.”
ONE general traffic lane was restored. Is that half full or half empty?

Kind of like East Arlington, where a small vocal group made sure that two lanes could emigrate from Arlington, but there was only one lane for immigrants. (Dictionary definition - those who migrate from or to a place, in this case twice a day.)

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Originally Posted by mr_bill View Post
ONE general traffic lane was restored. Is that half full or half empty?

Kind of like East Arlington, where a small vocal group made sure that two lanes could emigrate from Arlington, but there was only one lane for immigrants. (Dictionary definition - those who migrate from or to a place, in this case twice a day.)

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Actually, two driving lanes were restored on Vista del Mar and one on Culver. Maybe glass three quarters empty, one quarter full?

The politics of this in SoCal is murder.
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Old 08-27-19, 07:32 AM
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FAQ about "joy-riding speedsters" lane

"many bicycle users drive in an irresponsible manner, travel in the wrong direction, disregard street lights, wear headphones so they do not hear pedestrian street warnings, and swerve out of the bicycle lane and around cars and trucks without regard to pedestrian welfare."

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Originally Posted by mr_bill View Post
FAQ about "joy-riding speedsters" lane

"many bicycle users drive in an irresponsible manner, travel in the wrong direction, disregard street lights, wear headphones so they do not hear pedestrian street warnings, and swerve out of the bicycle lane and around cars and trucks without regard to pedestrian welfare."

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I would love to see the statistics of how man joyriding speedsters have ever killed or even maimed a pedestrian
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I would love to see the statistics of how man joyriding speedsters have ever killed or even maimed a pedestrian
No idea how many joy-riding speedsters there are, but....

"Although Collopy is the second New Yorker to be struck and killed by a cyclist in 2019, these types of crashes account for less than one percent of total pedestrian deaths in the Vision Zero era. Since January of 2014, five pedestrians have been killed by cyclists in New York City, while more than 700 pedestrians have been killed by drivers of cars and trucks." [Transalt Deputy Director Marco Conner]

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Originally Posted by mr_bill View Post
FAQ about "joy-riding speedsters" lane

"many bicycle users drive in an irresponsible manner, travel in the wrong direction, disregard street lights, wear headphones so they do not hear pedestrian street warnings, and swerve out of the bicycle lane and around cars and trucks without regard to pedestrian welfare."

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So why is it acceptable when motorists do these things?

And btw, I swerve out of bike lanes only when there are cars parked in them.
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Originally Posted by livedarklions View Post
At least the judge didn't buy their crap.
Funny thing about the way the law works. Even without a TRO, the city stopped work anyway.

Their merritless law suit finally died.

The Residential Board of Managers of The Century Condominium v The Department of Transporation of the City of New York.

Work which should have been done in the summer will now wait until spring.


Safetly delayed is safety denied.


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Originally Posted by mr_bill View Post
Funny thing about the way the law works. Even without a TRO, the city stopped work anyway.

Their merritless law suit finally died.

The Residential Board of Managers of The Century Condominium v The Department of Transporation of the City of New York.

Work which should have been done in the summer will now wait until spring.


Safetly delayed is safety denied.


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That's so ridiculous, it was a foregone conclusion that they lost when they didn't get the TRO. Rich people justice--even when they lose, the city tries to pretend they didn't.
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There are people who believe that free parking should not exist in most large or even medium cities. Concrete parking lots (except for new porous concrete) contribute to flooding and other undesirable issues. Like a "carbon" tax they believe there should be a parking tax. Supposedly this would push a lot of people onto public transportation or car pooling. Who knows. I certainly don't feel like motorists have any right to free parking except on their own property and even then, their concrete driveways contribute to flood runoff for their neighbors as well.
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Free parking is a human right?
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Not the Onion.

"potentially grave implications"

"’Residents and building staff will lose available free parking, which will increase their expenses,’ the suit warns. Units at 25 Central Park West typically sell for between $1.2 and $10 million."

You can’t make this, er, stuff, up.

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There are people who believe that free parking should not exist in most large or even medium cities. Concrete parking lots (except for new porous concrete) contribute to flooding and other undesirable issues. Like a "carbon" tax they believe there should be a parking tax.

Supposedly this would push a lot of people onto public transportation or car pooling. Who knows. I certainly don't feel like motorists have any right to free parking except on their own property and even then, their concrete driveways contribute to flood runoff for their neighbors as well.
That movement to restrict parking facilities in new construction is in vogue here in Boston. Boston has always been notorious for lack of parking.
Originally Posted by ChinookTx View Post
Ok, so, I'm back from Boston. Good news is, I'm still alive. Man, driving downtown is for sadistic people!! Who designed these roads???? ;-)…

And parking.... ohhh parking... Now, I get it, they don't want you to drive your car….I guess I'll have to go back and do what I want to do in that beautiful area, cause I definitely did not this time around.

If you read this far, and haven't figured it out yet, yes, this was a rant! :-/
We bought a condo in the early 1980’s in Kenmore Square and another one in the building years later. I have posted about our parking situation:
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Boston is probably one of the most Car-free cities in the world, and having a car is often detrimental. We live near the transportation hub of Kenmore Square.

Our easily accessible Car-free / Car-light modalities at home and work are:…
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… A new twist is that our adult son who lives in our building recently bought a car, mainly for his weekday job, So now with three drivers (not including the daughter) we share two cars, me the lowest priority since I don’t have one….

I mostly commute by bike (14 miles) and convenient commuter rail, and nearly always use the car only on weekends when the Commuter Rail schedule is reduced and family activities frequent.

We live in an area with tight parking restrictions. nearly entirely two-hour metered parking, except on Sundays and Holidays, from 8 AM to 6 PM; many residential-only spots with vigorous enforcement; and only one block in this high-density residental and commercial neighborhood with time-unlimited parking with a residential sticker.

We do own one deeded full-time unlimited parking space, that our son sometime uses...
The Red Sox baseball Fenway Park is also in the neighborhood, and traffic is atrocious on Game Days. Nearby parking lots charge about $45, and the subway lines are always jammed up until starting time, and after the game.

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