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Old 11-18-19, 11:36 PM
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Safety tip

If needing to cross an intersection twice to get to the opposite corner, always do it in the clock wise direction. That way you will always be facing on coming traffic. They will not be coming up behind you.
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Old 11-19-19, 12:42 AM
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Originally Posted by rydabent View Post
If needing to cross an intersection twice to get to the opposite corner, always do it in the clock wise direction. That way you will always be facing on coming traffic. They will not be coming up behind you.
That's when you're walking your bike in the pedestrian zone, right?

If you're riding your bike through the intersection, stay in the car lane.
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Old 11-19-19, 10:21 AM
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I'm assuming walking, but it's not ALWAYS.

This works on a conventional two road intersection where each road is two-way. Where people drive on the left you'll want to walk anti-clockwise to cross to the pavement on the opposite corner.

Some intersections have a pedestrian scramble, where traffic is stopped in all directions and pedestrians can cross diagonally.

But for two road intersections with one-way roads (much of Manhattan), it's six of one/half a dozen of the other. On average, 1/2 the time you'll cross with traffic at your back on one leg, 1/4 the time you'll cross with traffic at your back on both legs, and 1/4 the time you'll cross facing traffic on two legs. (Pretty much only half the people are walking up on the odds and down on the evens, or walking east on the odds and west on the evens. I doubt you will find ANYBODY who goes out of their way to walk that way though. Most taxi drivers are going the right way though. But look both ways, because not all taxi drivers.)


But then there is BOSTON, where we just dump n-roads into an intersection. (Think of walking through a six way intersection with five stop signs.)
Or Rochester, where three stroads make twelve corners.

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Old 11-19-19, 10:27 AM
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Originally Posted by rydabent View Post
If needing to cross an intersection twice to get to the opposite corner, always do it in the clock wise direction. That way you will always be facing on coming traffic. They will not be coming up behind you.
With all due respect, what does this mean? You can't legally face oncoming traffic for the bulk of ones riding so why make exceptions? Consistency is more important that personal perceptions of safety. As a pedestrian in the same situation I first cross the street that has the green light! Why would I wait through an additional light cycle just so I can make the double cross in a particular direction? What I can't see, I can hear. I am not at anymore of an advantage traveling against traffic as with it.
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Old 11-19-19, 11:26 AM
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Originally Posted by rydabent View Post
you will always be facing on coming traffic
sorry, I don't get it. when I cross streets, I'm traveling perpendicular to traffic
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Old 11-20-19, 04:01 PM
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I look behind me before stepping off the curb when I'm crossing counter clockwise. No big deal. Just common sense nowadays and everyone should get into the habit of doing it. I wouldn't trust my safety to drivers.
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Old 11-20-19, 08:49 PM
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Doing so increases the risk from left turning vehicles.
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Old 11-21-19, 03:18 PM
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When I crosses the streetz, I eats my spinach and knocks dem cars' blocks off.

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Old 11-21-19, 03:39 PM
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Originally Posted by CB HI View Post
Doing so increases the risk from left turning vehicles.
No, it doesn't. Again, on a two road each road two ways intersection, especially on "exclusive" left turn lanes on stroads. There are almost ALWAYS people running the left turn light.

When I am walking WITH traffic I have to guess who is the last driver to run the red left arrow, and I almost always have to wait until the wall of motor vehicles going straight blocks the MA holes from running the red.

When I am walking AGAINST traffic even the worst MA holes running the red light have cleared the intersection before they can kill me.

(And then around here, there is also the "Massachusetts" left at the green ball. Where the first one (or two or three or....) left turners say AFTER ME and cut off everyone going straight. Again, walking WITH traffic they are now aiming at ME. Walking against traffic and it's a close but no cigar.)

Back when I started walking again I could barely make it across the intersection during the walk light, let alone make it across after waiting five or six seconds. So, I'd have wait for the next walk light and hope that I got a nice hole first in line in the left turn lane who actually stopped for the red light.

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Old 11-21-19, 06:06 PM
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Cross the road isn't brain surgery. Look before you come off the curb. That's it!

If you have your head buried in your phone screen while crossing the road, well, then you're putting your life in the life of someone behind the wheel of a 2-ton projectile who may also have his head buried in his phone.
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Old 11-22-19, 02:12 PM
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Originally Posted by mcours2006 View Post
Cross the road isn't brain surgery. Look before you come off the curb. That's it!
Lots of people hear this as “look both ways.”

Look four ways, five ways if Underminer, six ways after they send in the drones.


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Old 11-23-19, 08:21 AM
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Straight from the Bent Nanny
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Originally Posted by mr_bill View Post
Lots of people hear this as “look both ways.”

Look four ways, five ways if Underminer, six ways after they send in the drones.

https://youtu.be/3FblaeYxj6o

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Just looking isn't good enough. As we all know, a lot of motorists look and see you but cut you off anyways.

So for cyclists and pedestrians, look for motor vehicles and interpret if they are going to slow down or stop for you. Sometimes the car that stops for you gets honked by the car behind him.
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Old 11-24-19, 05:50 AM
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Originally Posted by mcours2006 View Post
Cross the road isn't brain surgery. Look before you come off the curb. That's it!

If you have your head buried in your phone screen while crossing the road, well, then you're putting your life in the life of someone behind the wheel of a 2-ton projectile who may also have his head buried in his phone.
Originally Posted by mr_bill View Post
Lots of people hear this as “look both ways.”

Look four ways, five ways if Underminer, six ways after they send in the drones.

https://youtu.be/3FblaeYxj6o

-mr. bill
Originally Posted by Daniel4 View Post
Just looking isn't good enough. As we all know, a lot of motorists look and see you but cut you off anyways.

So for cyclists and pedestrians, look for motor vehicles and interpret if they are going to slow down or stop for you. Sometimes the car that stops for you gets honked by the car behind him.
As a further corollary to the above, I have often posted:
Originally Posted by Jim from Boston View Post
I try to keep safe with certain aphorisms in my head that come to mind to alert me when I encounter a situation where unseen dangers may lurk...

Over the past few months I have come to realize that my safety aphorisms (link), collected over the years by personal or vicarious experience, are my way of actively aligning the stars in my favor, to anticipate those unseen and otherwise unanticipated dangers.

FWIW, for my own information at least, my other aphorisms [include; nine in total]:
Originally Posted by Jim from Boston View Post

1, 2…

3. To know where a car is going, watch the front wheels, not the body or hood.

4…9…

Those are all I remember for now, and they all pop-up in my mind as I encounter the situation.

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I didn't expect this to make any sense, wasn't disappointed
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I cannot even picture what this thread is about.
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Originally Posted by indyfabz View Post
I cannot even picture what this thread is about.
It's about crossing the street.
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Old 11-26-19, 07:53 AM
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Safety tip
Originally Posted by rydabent View Post
If needing to cross an intersection twice to get to the opposite corner, always do it in the clock wise direction.

That way you will always be facing on coming traffic. They will not be coming up behind you
Originally Posted by Daniel4 View Post
That's when you're walking your bike in the pedestrian zone, right?

If you're riding your bike through the intersection, stay in the car lane..
Originally Posted by mr_bill View Post
I'm assuming walking, but it's not ALWAYS.

This works on a conventional two road intersection where each road is two-way. Where people drive on the left you'll want to walk anti-clockwise to cross to the pavement on the opposite corner.

Some intersections have a pedestrian scramble, where traffic is stopped in all directions and pedestrians can cross diagonally.

But for two road intersections with one-way roads (much of Manhattan), it's six of one/half a dozen of the other. On average, 1/2 the time you'll cross with traffic at your back on one leg, 1/4 the time you'll cross with traffic at your back on both legs, and 1/4 the time you'll cross facing traffic on two legs.

(Pretty much only half the people are walking up on the odds and down on the evens, or walking east on the odds and west on the evens.

I doubt you will find ANYBODY who goes out of their way to walk that way though. Most taxi drivers are going the right way though. But look both ways, because not all taxi drivers.)

But then there is BOSTON, where we just dump n-roads into an intersection. (Think of walking through a six way intersection with five stop signs.)

Or Rochester, where three stroads make twelve corners.

-mr. bill
Originally Posted by Leisesturm View Post
With all due respect, what does this mean? You can't legally face oncoming traffic for the bulk of ones riding so why make exceptions? Consistency is more important that personal perceptions of safety.

As a pedestrian in the same situation I first cross the street that has the green light! Why would I wait through an additional light cycle just so I can make the double cross in a particular direction?

What I can't see, I can hear. I am not at anymore of an advantage traveling against traffic as with it.
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I cannot even picture what this thread is about.
Originally Posted by Daniel4 View Post
It's about crossing the street.
Originally Posted by trailangel View Post
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With all due respect to the oft-maligned @rydabent, I think he makes an interesting observation that I've not thought about personally. In any case, though I probably always subconsciously worry about rearward up-coming traffic, I wear a rearview mirror.

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Originally Posted by Jim from Boston View Post
Safety tipWith all due respect to the oft-maligned @rydabent, I think he makes an interesting observation that I've not thought about personally. In any case, though I probably always subconsciously worry about rearward up-coming traffic. I wear a rearview mirror.
When you are walking?

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Originally Posted by Jim from Boston View Post
”Safety tip”

With all due respect to the oft-maligned @rydabent, I think he makes an interesting observation that I've not thought about personally.

In any case, though I probably always subconsciously worry about rearward up-coming traffic. I wear a rearview mirror.
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When you are walking?

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Why not?
Originally Posted by pdlamb View Post
Not quite sure how wearing a mirror will prevent cagers from hitting the pedestrian wearing it. Then again, I AM short-sighted!...
Originally Posted by Robert C View Post
...Here is the problem; people just aren't looking for pedestrians. I never had as many close calls as I have started having while walking.

The trouble is that the walk light puts me in the path of left turning cars behind me
. It is one particular intersection…
Originally Posted by Jim from Boston View Post
How about wearing a rearview mirror. Like a Take-a-Look? ...
Originally Posted by mc9000 View Post
While walking through a parking lot during my lunch break, I caught myself mindlessly looking for my "Take a Look" mirror a few times.

I missed that ability to get a glimpse behind me without having to turn around.

Anybody else experience something like this with a bike or bike accessory tha tyou've really come to depend on?
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Why don't you wear it while walking?
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Maybe a picture is worth 1000 words.

A person crossing the road on the Southeast corner heading west (against oncoming traffic).

Where they have to look in magenta. (The additional directions people in Boston have to look in cyan. We ALWAYS have to watch our back.)



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Originally Posted by mr_bill View Post
Maybe a picture is worth 1000 words.

A person crossing the road on the Southeast corner heading west (against oncoming traffic).

Where they have to look in magenta. (The additional directions people in Boston have to look in cyan. We ALWAYS have to watch our back.)



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I've been staring at that for several minutes, and I just can't find Waldo.
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I've been staring at that for several minutes, and I just can't find Waldo.
You need to zoom:



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