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Old 06-15-20, 10:58 AM
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I am on the board of a cycling organization, serving as its Advocacy chairperson. In the past, I've contacted state legislators regarding proposing better safety laws, including ones against texting. I have also been part of a group that successfully got a new license plate option that contains the slogan "Share the Road."

I am looking for some new potential avenues to focus on going forward. Any thoughts regarding good advocacy causes I could help promote?
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Old 06-16-20, 04:35 AM
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Mandatory cyclist law training as part of driver's ed.
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Old 06-16-20, 06:53 AM
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I am on the board of a cycling organization, serving as its Advocacy chairperson. In the past, I've contacted state legislators regarding proposing better safety laws, including ones against texting. I have also been part of a group that successfully got a new license plate option that contains the slogan "Share the Road."

I am looking for some new potential avenues to focus on going forward. Any thoughts regarding good advocacy causes I could help promote?
Bike commuting home in the winter after sunset, I have often thought about distributing lights to the homeless and indigent who bike. Yes, batteries could be an issue, but perhaps it could be structured as an exchange.

And no matter what the season, seeing the disadvantages riding bikes with broken brake and shifter cables, untrue wheels, etc, has made me think about bicycle clinics for the homeless and indigent, whether it's a mobile unit that travels, or a more permanent setup.
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Old 06-16-20, 07:29 AM
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Originally Posted by SkepticCyclist View Post
I am on the board of a cycling organization, serving as its Advocacy chairperson. In the past, I've contacted state legislators regarding proposing better safety laws, including ones against texting. I have also been part of a group that successfully got a new license plate option that contains the slogan "Share the Road."

I am looking for some new potential avenues to focus on going forward. Any thoughts regarding good advocacy causes I could help promote?
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Mandatory cyclist law training as part of driver's ed.
FWIW, I previously posted to this thread,"As a Bike Commuter - What kind of video content would you want to see?"
Originally Posted by Bicycle2Work View Post
Hi Everyone!

I'm a long-time bike commuter who has started a YouTube channel that's about bike commuting. I'm going to initially be making videos for newbies and beginners who are thinking about bike commuting.
Originally Posted by Jim from Boston View Post
So in answer to what I think would be sobering yet important messages to commuters would be videos of dangerous situations such as:

"Police urged to charge passenger after cyclist car-doored"

https://www.theage.com.au/national/v...318-34zr2.html [and]
Originally Posted by JW Fas View Post
"Cyclist Rear Ended at 55mph"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QYMKp71vW-I
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Terrifying!
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Thanks to @JW Fas for posting this video. I have posted about learning safety either by experience or vicariously, and this is the best training video I have seen about “bailing out.”
These videos are graphic and frightening real-life demonstrations of how quickly a driver’s inattention can malevolently damage a cyclist, and these or similar IMO would be beneficially incorporated into driver training curricula.

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Old 06-16-20, 10:10 AM
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I saw a guy today who lives in the same building i do and his MTB is minus the front brake. He took it off because he's afraid of doing an endo. A lot of people do NOT realize that 80% of braking (on average) is done by the front brake.

How to setup and adjust brakes is something a lot of cyclist do nt have any idea how to do. Thus when their brake rubs on the rim they simply disconnect it or remove it all together.

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Old 06-16-20, 10:11 AM
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Another good thing would be for bicyclists, E-bikers and E-scooter riders to learn the rules of the road. Hopefully they'd even follow them. LOL

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Old 06-16-20, 11:26 AM
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Originally Posted by Miele Man View Post
Another good thing would be for bicyclists, E-bikers and E-scooter riders to learn the rules of the road. Hopefully they'd even follow them. LOL

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Heh go after the cagers first... let the majority set a good example!
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Old 06-16-20, 11:47 AM
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Originally Posted by Digger Goreman View Post
Heh go after the cagers first... let the majority set a good example!
ROTFLMAO If this was a forum for drivers I'd do that but it's a forum for bicyclists. LOL

Seriously, I've seen so many close calls with bicyclists who don't seem to have any idea what the rules of the road are. Ditto for many who ride E-bikes or E-scooters.

As traffic volumes increase over the years and if the number of bicyclists, E-bike riders and/or E-scooter riders increases, I wonder when the public at large will be demanding that those three groups of riders take a traffic rules training course. I know many people around here who'd like to see that. They're drivers who've nearly hit or have hit a rider who was blatantly disobeying the rules of the road and the driver had virtually no warning. So many extremely close calls. It makes you wonder when will the rider's luck run out.

There used to a bicyclist* here in town who every morning would ride in the wrong direction down a one-way street to a main road and then turn left onto that road and ride against traffic. What made it even more dangerous for him was that there was an exit from a crossing main road that went onto the road he was riding against the traffic on and the distance from the exit to the street he rode out of was quite short - less than 50 feet. I nearly hit him on my bike a couple of times and told him he was riding in an extremely dangerous way and to get some lights as required by law for his bike. Well, one day his luck ran out and now some poor driver has to live with the fact that he hit and killed that guy. the driver had no chance at all to avoid him.

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*Dark colour clothing, dark colour bike, no lights or reflectors and most times not even slowing let alone stopping at the intersection. Simply an accident waiting to happen and it did.
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Old 06-17-20, 10:04 AM
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Something I see a lot of, even in my own neighborhood is parents walking correctly against traffic flow with their young kids on bicycles likewise going against the flow which is incorrect. Some of these kids aren't so young any more, yet they still ride on the wrong side sometimes around the corner and out of site of their parents. So the behavior of riding on the wrong side is instilled in some at a young age and continues well into adulthood.

I imagine as these kids grow up and rid the leash of having their parents with them that they continue to ride on the wrong side of the road. Don't know what the solution is, but there are a significant number of adults I see in various places around town that have me believing they used to ride bikes as their parents walked around the block.

Edit..... this post must have been a premonition. I went out with my wife at lunch for a walk. We were on the sidewalk next to a fairly busy street leading to the neighborhood. A late teen or twenty something guy trying to carry a bag in one hand headed straight down the middle of the oncoming traffic lane. He had to stop several times to deal with the apparently heavy and awkward to hold bag and for oncoming traffic. We almost beat him to the corner on that 1/4 mile stretch. I hope he makes it to 30 y.o and beyond.

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Old 06-17-20, 05:38 PM
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Originally Posted by Paul Barnard View Post
Mandatory cyclist law training as part of driver's ed.
ditto. Must include on-road cycling experience. Been saying that for years.

Strict and serious traffic enforcement of motor vehicles.
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Old 06-18-20, 01:38 PM
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The problem with drivers ed is that I haven't had to demonstrate driving ability or take any type of education or testing since I was 15 and 16 y.o. Over 46 years ago.

People don't like to discuss how well they do or don't drive.
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Old 06-19-20, 07:18 AM
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I'm against "driving licences" for cyclists; however, I find it difficult to defend this position at times when I see how some people riding bikes do totally boneheaded things. Just the other day, I was sitting in-line at a left-turn only lane waiting for the light (on my bike). As the light turned green everyone started moving and this other cyclists was crossing the intersection (opposite direction) and then attempting to cross the street where the cars had a green light. So there he was in between us that were turning left and those that had the right of way. I wanted to stop and see how he managed that, but I was in the line of fast moving traffic.

I'm not against more stringent standards for drivers in understanding cycling laws, but we also have to look at ourselves. This is where I usually get blasted for being anti-cyclist
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We cyclists need to stop pushing so hard for separated cycling paths, if we want to stay on the roads. Here in Jax, Fl, I've noticed that every road that gets reworked has a bike lane installed. This is a good thing and I like to think that the extra money I spend on my "Share the Road" specialty license plate goes towards those upgrades.

However, I noticed on one road that a large separated bike path was installed, in lieu of a bike lane, which could have easily been installed on this six lane roadway. When there is a separated bike path, we cyclists seem to be pressured to ride on them and stay off the roads. But riding on a path, while is good for parents with children, it's not so good for cycling commuters, at least in my experience and opinion.

They only slow me down with all the stop/yield signage. Cycling is NOT a hobby for me, it's my form of transportation. Riding on these paths adds significant time to my commutes, unless I want to be one of those irresponsible lance-wannabe cyclists, which I am, but never on bike paths/MUPs.

More cycling lanes.
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We cyclists need to stop pushing so hard for separated cycling paths, if we want to stay on the roads. Here in Jax, Fl, I've noticed that every road that gets reworked has a bike lane installed. This is a good thing and I like to think that the extra money I spend on my "Share the Road" specialty license plate goes towards those upgrades.

However, I noticed on one road that a large separated bike path was installed, in lieu of a bike lane, which could have easily been installed on this six lane roadway. When there is a separated bike path, we cyclists seem to be pressured to ride on them and stay off the roads. But riding on a path, while is good for parents with children, it's not so good for cycling commuters, at least in my experience and opinion.

They only slow me down with all the stop/yield signage. Cycling is NOT a hobby for me, it's my form of transportation. Riding on these paths adds significant time to my commutes, unless I want to be one of those irresponsible lance-wannabe cyclists, which I am, but never on bike paths/MUPs.

More cycling lanes.
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"So what's your beef with Multi-Use Pathes?"

...I posted earlier on this thread ”Getting somewhere” is the essence of a vehicle, be it pleasure, touring. utility, commuting etc (by bike) yet “vehicular cycling” on a road is derided in comparison to separated bike infrastructure....

Historically, back in the 19th century when cycling was a new, innovative mode of transportation, advocates like the League of American Wheelman were powerful enough to agitate for better roads, as Multi-Use Pathes, with the horses and pedestrians.
Then the automobile came along and new advocates could further agitate for even more and better roads, and cars became the predominant and overwhelmingly powerful users.

So now in these days I think it is unlikely that cyclists’ desire for an extensive segregated (and likely costly) bike system that serves many destinations will ever be fulfilled, unless...
I have quoted this diatribe by @B.Carfree on a few threads, including;
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“I don't think I like physically separated bike lanes.”

As a decades-long urban commuter and road cyclist, on a societal policy basis I was impressed by this opinion by @B. Carfree
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…Some people, mostly people who are relatively new to cycling, think we should use the few dollars that can go towards improving conditions for cycling by building a few miles of separated infrastructure and place it mostly on urban roads (with the inevitable intersection failures).

Other, more experienced riders, think we would be better served by funding traffic law enforcement and putting in many more miles of proper, six to eight foot bike lanes (not in the door zone) and only putting in separate facilities where there are long stretches of high-speed road without appreciable numbers of intersections.

This difference of opinion wouldn't be such a big deal, but many of the segregationists have been making their public case by convincing everyone that cycling is too dangerous to be done anywhere except on a segregated facility.

Not surprisingly, this has an impact in terms of how many people are willing to even try riding a bike since there is no way to get anywhere in the US without riding on a road.

Oddly enough, these people are called and consider themselves "bicycling advocates". If one were to design a fifth-column assault to keep cycling participation down, it would look just like the pro-separation folks.
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I hate the idea of walled-off lanes, myself ... I don't want to be penned in with a bunch of cyclists ... worst group of people ....
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Old 06-21-20, 10:21 AM
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Does your city or state protect bikes in cross walks like the law protects pedestrians? Our state laws didnt and we got them changed about 5 years ago.
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