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Old 03-27-21, 03:42 PM
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Commit the crime, pay the fine?

A local story around here about police officers using video on their shifts catching a cyclist going through a stop sign in a small community, probably early in the morning. Needless to say it got quite a bit of a attention from those on social media who are pro bike and those against . I get the concern but wonder if it has to be taken in consideration based on the circumstance? empty 4 way stop sign, no traffic (road or pedestrian) or maybe a warning issued?

https://cyclingmagazine.ca/video/sho...eing-ticketed/
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Old 03-27-21, 03:53 PM
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I typically slow down, often stop, but I'm not perfect. Sometimes I cheat, especially if clear line of sight. If I got caught it would be no flack, pay the fine. I knew the rules when I hopped on the bike. If one doesn't like it, lobby the ordinance to be changed.
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Old 03-27-21, 09:06 PM
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Old 03-28-21, 09:52 AM
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Seems like a no brainer. I don't break any laws driving or cycling when there are police around.

I certainly don't know what the laws are where the incident occurred.
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If the police is enforcing the letter of the law, then I would abide by it. However, I would challenge their enforcement if they appear to be lenient on motorists who do the same thing by rolling through stop signs without a full-stop.
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Old 03-28-21, 10:43 AM
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Leave a nasty note about the kind of people who give the ticket on the "for" line; been known to do that in the past. In this case I would, legal or not this was a waste of time, energy and the police need to find something better to do.
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Old 03-28-21, 11:11 AM
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When the cyclist goes to court, he should use that video to make a citizens arrest against the cop. He DID NOT come to a full stop at the stop sign.
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Old 03-28-21, 11:52 AM
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Originally Posted by rydabent View Post
When the cyclist goes to court, he should use that video to make a citizens arrest against the cop. He DID NOT come to a full stop at the stop sign.
Ummmmm ... police are allowed to do that when they're pursuing someone.
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Old 03-28-21, 04:36 PM
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Ummmmm ... police are allowed to do that when they're pursuing someone.
Police are allowed to do anything they want. Period.
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Old 03-29-21, 04:15 AM
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Originally Posted by Leisesturm View Post
Police are allowed to do anything they want. Period.
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Old 03-29-21, 06:45 AM
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The intent of the law is to prevent collisions. If there is no possibility of a collision due to no other vehicles being present, then the law is irrelevant and should not be enforced.
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Old 03-29-21, 07:16 AM
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So, who was he a danger to,?
I think its silly.. I wonder if he would have done a rolling stop, would they still have ticketed him?
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Old 03-29-21, 07:25 AM
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Originally Posted by Moe Zhoost View Post
The intent of the law is to prevent collisions. If there is no possibility of a collision due to no other vehicles being present, then the law is irrelevant and should not be enforced.
It looks to be a fairly blind intersection, which is the perfect place for a four-way stop.

But your post raises an interesting issue: some traffic laws are designed to reduce motor vehicle collisions, but put cyclists in more danger. For example, forcing a cyclist to stop at a sign or light -- which makes the cyclist a sitting duck without a 4,000 metallic cocoon for protection -- even though the cyclist could safely pass through without stopping. And even though a cyclist's mistake would physically harm no one but the cyclist.

Take marijuana laws as an analog: for many decades, many tens of millions (maybe more?) of people smoked pot, even though it was illegal. They smoked it because it harmed no one -- generally, not even the smoker, unless it was combined with driving a car or something similar. Now that more and more states are making pot legal, and even expunging minor criminal convictions, the idea that you had to obey that law simply because it was a law seems quaintly naive.
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Old 03-29-21, 11:41 AM
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Price you pay for living in a quiet place with no crime and bored cops.
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Old 03-29-21, 11:54 AM
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The law is the law, I suppose. The guy was unlucky that the cop decided to enforce it where 99.9% of the time it is not. I'm guilty of running stop signs multiple times during my daily commute, and on more than a few occasions there'd been cops sitting by watching for motorists that do the same thing. Once the cop did mutter something to me about stopping, to which I gave him puzzled look and just rode on. Lucky, I guess.
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Old 03-29-21, 07:29 PM
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I see cyclists running stops al the time. While I'm cycling or driving. I have seen idiots on group rides run signals in crowded intersections to stay ahead of the group and WIN the imaginary race.

I say do the crime, pay the fine. There was a similar situation couple years back where a cop was standing right in front of the approaching group watching them run the stops. Jumped in his car, chased them then ended up arresting a kid. He got off the charges I believe. But really, if you're that stupid of a cyclist, you deserve to get fined.

But it sure is nice to see a thread where the radicals can't blame a driver.
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Old 03-29-21, 07:50 PM
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The bicyclist didn't even bother to look. Even though there appeared to be no traffic. The bicyclists didn't see the Police. I bet he looks from now on. You should consider it to be hard times and obey the law, or the tax collector may come calling on you.
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The bicyclist didn't even bother to look. Even though there appeared to be no traffic. The bicyclists didn't see the Police. I bet he looks from now on. You should consider it to be hard times and obey the law, or the tax collector may come calling on you.
I am guessing he assumed the cross traffic would stop since it's a 4 way stop. That's a dangerous practice.
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Old 03-30-21, 09:18 AM
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I am guessing he assumed the cross traffic would stop since it's a 4 way stop. That's a dangerous practice.
Indeed, poor practice.

Perhaps however the cyclist could hear that there were no sounds of engines or approaching rolling tires... difficult to do in a busy city, but easy enough in a rural area... and not likely to be done by a motorist who has to deal with motor noise, tire noise, rolled up windows and entertainment systems.

Of course try to explain that to a cop...
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Old 03-30-21, 10:21 AM
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I was riding with a group of twenty plus riders my last year in the army. It was in Germany and we had the light. An idiot ran the light. I was the only one that was hit. I look always even if I am in a group. You can't always count on your ears alone. Using your eyes is better.
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Old 03-30-21, 11:16 AM
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Although I may not follow the law to the definition, I do approach all stop signs by slowing down, looking all ways for pedestrians and cars and then make a judgement call. If there is neither car nor pedestrian I carry on, so a rolling stop. I wouldn't do this at an intersection with lights and I never blow through. I honestly dislike seeing riders or groups blatantly run a set of lights or stop sign and always think they are giving each of us cyclists a bad name.

I would think a warning from the cop would have been significant but the story indicates he was fined $115.
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Old 03-30-21, 03:46 PM
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Originally Posted by rydabent View Post
should use that video to make a citizens arrest against the cop. He DID NOT come to a full stop...
Yeah, but where you gonna put him? My hall closet's full. And am I supposed to feed him too? Jail food is the absolute worst on the planet, and I don't even know where to buy it. I think pet food is better, so maybe my cat wouldn't mind if I share a can or two with the prisoner.
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Old 04-01-21, 08:54 AM
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Once again considering the time and no traffic a warning should have been in order. The fine $110 is obscene. It just fills the city B'crats coffers.
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Old 04-07-21, 09:03 PM
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Originally Posted by gear64 View Post
I typically slow down, often stop, but I'm not perfect. Sometimes I cheat, especially if clear line of sight. If I got caught it would be no flack, pay the fine. I knew the rules when I hopped on the bike. If one doesn't like it, lobby the ordinance to be changed.
This is my position exactly. I'm not going to complain if I break a rule, get caught and as a result, have to pay a fine.
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