Originally Posted by wphamilton (Post 22033408)

Theory of jurisprudence IS the reality of courts. Laws must be specific and explicit in what they prohibit

Originally Posted by Moe Zhoost (Post 22034397)

Theory ... IS ... reality? I'm confused.

Sorry, mate, I've lost track of what your point really is. You seem to be darn passionate about it, though. Good for you. I'm sure you use this energy to do good for your community.

Originally Posted by downhillmaster (Post 22034119)

Nice.
And the other 14 kids in the video are collecting welfare or in prison :thumb:

Originally Posted by downhillmaster (Post 22034119)

Nice.
And the other 14 kids in the video are collecting welfare or in prison :thumb:

Originally Posted by jon c. (Post 22034928)

Took four pages to get to that. Maybe that's progress?

Originally Posted by ridelikeaturtle (Post 22035136)

Originally Posted by downhillmaster (Post 22025792)

Good stuff.
So many ignorant comments.

I live in NJ and for the past year or so there has been a pretty widespread issue where young cyclists ride through the center of towns for no other reason than to disrupt pedestrians and vehicles.
I can’t know for sure but this definitely seems to be another instance of that behavior. One of their favorite things to do is pedal up to someone very fast and skid to a stop right in front of them to scare them. They mostly do it to older people.
They also like to ride wheelies and disrupt the already slow traffic in the center of town.

My local town FB page has been buzzing with it for awhile now. For the most part I try to defend the riders as young kids just blowing off steam but either way what they are doing is wrong and I am not surprised that it appears that another town tried to use an id or tag loophole to crack down on it.

Either way it certainly doesn’t appear to be a race issue. Unless ofc you are the type that makes everything a race issue :rolleyes:

Originally Posted by indyfabz (Post 22038600)

This has been happening more and more here in downtown Philly. I saw one group that had to be over 150 strong riding down major thoroughfares, running lights without regard for anything, swarming cars and pedestrians trying to cross the street. Sometimes they pop up onto the sidewalks to get around traffic, further endangering pedestrians. Maybe not be such a hazard Podunkville, IA, but when it happens in the busiest part of a city of 1.5 million people it can cause a host of problems.

Nothing to do with being an apologist for motorist. My vehicle will turn 5 at the beginning of July. Not even 12,200 miles on it. It's bout safety and civil behavior, or lack thereof.

Originally Posted by Koyote (Post 22038931)

Unless I have forgotten some post, I think no one was suggesting that the kids were blameless. The debate was about the police response. And then one poster got a bit ugly.

Originally Posted by Moe Zhoost (Post 22029288)

Our world is full of laws and regulations that attempt to control behaviour through some seemingly unrelated artifice. This is usually intentional to give the authorities leverage when they feel that it should be applied. I won't say that such strategies are horrible; I think they can be applied in an effective and fair manner. However there are many times when they are used too frequently and for the wrong reasons.



We have what we have. Remember that the folks who brought you such laws were voted into office by a majority of your neighbours.

Originally Posted by wphamilton (Post 22031290)

There is no legitimate theory of jurisprudence to support this idea, that you have laws to control behaviors unrelated to the law. Any "authority" who makes a habit of applying "leverage" as "they feel" when the behavior is outside of the legal framework is engaging in textbook abuse of office. He needs to be stripped of office and, in egregious cases, prosecuted for abuse of power.

And to the poster who opines that I made it up, here is an explicit example of someone who thinks repressive ordinances are fine as a pretext to give someone a comeuppance when the law doesn't or isn't applied.

Originally Posted by wphamilton (Post 22036597)

Whenever we see ourselves thinking along those lines - bunch of rowdy kids for example - we should take a moment and imagine if it was me. Imagine if they were my kids, or my whole family. Does that change the perspective on what happened?

Originally Posted by indyfabz (Post 22039628)

There is at least one. Something about poor divers having to be inconvenienced. In a dense urban setting like mine such behavior can be quite dangerous to drivers and pedestrians. There have also been at least two incidents of women being grabbed by passing riders, including one incident not that far from my house.

Originally Posted by ridelikeaturtle (Post 22042366)

That'd be me, confronting your ugliness. It ain't pretty. I'm not surprised you don't like it.

First, "dangerous to drivers". Laughable and ridiculous; and as if motorists have ever been considerate of pedestrians, again laughable. The motorist is *not* a victim.

Second, "... at least two incidents of women being grabbed..." . Anyone with a minimum of sense will see this for the racism that it is, and it is disgusting.

Originally Posted by wphamilton (Post 22036597)

I knew there probably would be, from someone, and I knew that the age of the cyclists would also loom large for some people. If you'll notice, neither race not age were mentioned in the original post and that was deliberate. Part of the point.

Originally Posted by wphamilton (Post 22028334)

Did I claim racism?

Originally Posted by njkayaker (Post 22043917)

You didn't claim racism but "... the point" was to encourage other people to make racist statements.

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