Rick

It is not always possible to find a reason for a shooting. I suspect it was personal.

I can see why someone would Say things like: Out of the dozens of times in my life that someone has honked, yelled, swerved and flung objects at me while I was bicycling. Most of them have been white. Most of the males in this country are white and I have lived in predominantly white neighborhoods. This shooting is a very terrible thing to happen. The best way to deal with an event like this is to avoid the confrontation all together, if posable. If the individual harassing you is a stalker. It usually only ends with the stalker in jail or one of you dead.

Chistophe516

Very well put.

Ballenxj

Many years ago I was riding my motorcycle with wife on back heading out for a nice cruise when suddenly this a hole in a car tried to hit us for no apparent reason. Maybe somebody that looked like us pissed him off earlier? Anyway he had his wife and kids in the car with him, wife was beating on his arm apparently telling him to quit. My only option at that point was to outrun him. We were on the freeway.

berner

Several days ago I was driving past a school zone where the speed limit was 20mph. I drive slowly, seldom above the speed limit. I noticed an auto crowding the rear bumper. As I slowed to the school zone speed limit, the auto following too closely deceided they had enough of the speed limit and zoomed out to pass, on the right, while in front of the school. A few hundred yards past the school zone is a medical complex and the car turned in. They saved 5 seconds in a risky maneuver. This is a good example of poor impulse control and or stupidity due to a rapid loss of IQ points.

Paul Barnard

That's racist, but apparently not sexist.

Rick

I simply stated a social fact and layed out the reasons for it. I imagine if you pedaled in an area predominantly occupied by dark skinned people, you would have more people of color acting out.

Paul Barnard

Nope. I have a regular ride that goes through the heart of NOLA. I can recall exactly 2 black ragers. Middle-aged, white, out of shape, poorly educated males comprise the overwhelming majority of ragers. On various forms of social media, that same demographic espouses most of the unhealthy attitudes, and when I read of accounts of rage most of the offenders fit that demographic.

Rick

Again most of the humans in the USA are caucasian. This and the infrastructure being designed around motor vehicle sales instead of human rights is why we see more white road rage against bicyclists.

Incorrect: Its intelligence

Paul Barnard

There, I completed the picture.

Bald Paul

People, please, this was NOT a case of road rage against a cyclist, by whatever race/education level/fitness level/etc. perpetrator you insist on pigeon-holing them into.
This was an attack by a mentally unstable person, with a history of harassing cyclists and pedestrians in the area for no apparent reason whatsoever.

Rick

There is a reason for this. Stalking is allowed and has a predictable outcome. This murderer will probably be out of prison at some point and do it again.

You on the other hand are a megalo maniac with stocking tendencies or a troll for short.

Bald Paul

Doubtful. He was shot and killed by police when he drew his gun on them.

StarBiker

Yep, this nonsense is unacceptable.

I am always wondering where people are going that they are in this much of a hurry.

More often though it's everybody driving like they are driving a walker that I think at least in certain instances makes people behave this way. And not moving at a green light. I call that delayed acceleration syndrome. Constant around here. Count to five and then they usually go, and this is after all the traffic in other directions is clearly stopped.

Another classic stopping way behind the car in front of you at a red light, blocking people's ability to either get in a right turn, or left turn lane. Especially if the light for that lane is green. And it's usually more than one person at a light that does this.

And the classic turning out of lane. People don't understand that unless the right turn lane is marked in a way that you can't make a left, guess what? You can make a left while in the right lane. A woman almost veered into my lane at a red light last week when the light changed. Would have hit me if I didn't honk. There is another light that's really bad for this at a major intersection just up from this light.

I can continue to type. With how poorly roads, and traffic lights can be set up although not advocating it I can understand why people get frustrated. (Overbuilt American Suburbia, hey, let's overbuild it some more) and nothing to encourage less driving when feasible.
Not that that would stop the Yuppies in their Euro Mobiles around here....
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Paul Barnard

I don't appreciate that. It's been years since I worked in retail. I don't stock anymore.

If you want to call me a megalomaniac, I'll accept that, but only if it's spelled correctly. I'd rather be called an inveterate narcissist though. In my two decades of participation in internet forums, that one was my favorite.

Chistophe516

The article made my jaw drop. Mr. Murray definitely seemed like someone who was nothing but a big bully. RIP to Mr. Oliver.

SurferRosa

Yeah, but bikeforums isn't all bad. There's a lot of good stuff here too.

Cyclaholic

You only needed one hand on the throttle and your wife had both hands free, that's three guns that could have been fired at that driver.
A missed opportunity right there.

Ballenxj

Hah, true but that would have been too much paperwork later. Besides, she was busy hanging on with both hands, and I was busy accelerating away.

J Palmer Cass

This is classist behavior, which is more pervasive and worse than racism.

Paul Barnard

Be that as it may, it is true based on my observations.

Cyclaholic

How much racism have you experienced that gives you a frame of reference?.... were you a black person growing up in apartheid south africa? ...a jew in 1939 Berlin? ...a democrat voter in Georgia during the last presidential election?

jack pot 

.... or a Trump supporter on BF's extinguished P&R thread

jack pot 

well said > those least able to ride bikes seem to take their self hate anyplace where they can air their imagined grievances........... I have ridden NOLA many times > from Marigny to all parts of the city and beyond... NOLA is friendlier and bike safer than Austin, Houston, San Antone

grizzly59

The only defense against crazy is getting as far away as fast as you can.

tungsten

Otoh... the most undisciplined, unruly and downright disruptive group of 5 year olds my wife ever taught dance to came from the wealthiest enclave in our city.


Ya figger? lol...