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Old 05-11-21, 10:58 AM
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Daytime running lights

I've recently started using a set of small Bontrager lights that are primarily designed for daytime visibility. Ion 200 RT (front) and Flare RT (rear). Super small, lightweight, and have great mounts for the seat post and bar. Available individually or as a set. Worth looking at if you would like to increase visibility.
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Old 05-11-21, 02:49 PM
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I use a Dinotte daylight visibility light. It comes with a variety of clamps and an extension cord. I have it mounted to my Tubus rack with a Tubus fender brace turned upside down and a Nitto accessory attached to it. It uses 8 of the brightest LEDs. It is only good for daylight. Using it at night would make it dangerous for other road users. Jules Verne had no idea that the communications devices he wrote about could create so much maham.
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Old 05-20-21, 08:41 PM
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As I've already posted, I'm now using F & R lights all the time. When driving up Mt. Hamilton last year, it became obvious to me how smart daytme lights are. Then after getting hit by a careless driver a month ago, that's all the convincing I'll ever need. (Didn't go down, no damage to the FULLY RESTORED $8k tandem I was test riding either! Thanking my lucky stars every single day!)

Yes folks, use those lights ALL THE TIME!

And no, I am NOT letting drivers off the hook. No, they shouldn't have to be BLINDED by the light to see us. But I'm also pragmatic. I accept the fact that if it saves a life, it's worth doing. Plus, motorcycles are mandated to use DRLs and they're shown to reduce collisions in autos as well (both my cars have 'em). So use lights! Especially anyone upping their average speed considerably on an e-bike!

EDIT: What am I using? Oh I don't know. Didn't pay too much attention. PlanetBike on the back of one bike. All I know is that today's rechargeable LED lights are AWESOME! I'm one of the few who not only remembers one of the original flashing safety light (name escapes me), but owned and used on. Then the red Vistalite LED lights came out in the mid to late 80's. NightRider, NightSun former user. So glad today's lights are cheap and effective!

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Old 05-23-21, 06:56 AM
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I use the Garmin ones with the rear radar and they are they best money I spent on cycling by far
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Old 05-28-21, 10:26 AM
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Knock yourself out. Just don't strobe on the bike path. Definitely counterproductive, makes people less safe.
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Old 05-28-21, 11:03 AM
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You can't spend enough on lights

I ride all weathers on 60mph plus roads. I would have been killed many times over the last 20 years without good lights - day or night.
Next time you're out on a sunny day watch what happens when a cyclist passes under the shadow of a tree, bridge etc. They are literally invisible regardless of any high viz being worn. Never a good idea.
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Old 05-28-21, 11:12 AM
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Originally Posted by Johno59 View Post
I ride all weathers on 60mph plus roads. I would have been killed many times over the last 20 years without good lights - day or night.
Next time you're out on a sunny day watch what happens when a cyclist passes under the shadow of a tree, bridge etc. They are literally invisible regardless of any high viz being worn. Never a good idea.
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I use the Garmin ones with the rear radar and they are they best money I spent on cycling by far
Their light is not bright enough. My light is the brightest and there is nobody to annoy.
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Old 05-28-21, 02:02 PM
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Originally Posted by gleeloyd View Post
I've recently started using a set of small Bontrager lights that are primarily designed for daytime visibility. Ion 200 RT (front) and Flare RT (rear). Super small, lightweight, and have great mounts for the seat post and bar. Available individually or as a set. Worth looking at if you would like to increase visibility.
Me, too!
I bought those when I 'got back on the bike' recently. I'd been noticing daytime lights on bikes when driving the car; they definitely make a difference, especially in sun/shade areas like riding and driving in and out of trees.
I bought extra mounts so I can move them to my other bike. The rear light mounts are just bolted through the back of the saddlebags.
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Old 05-29-21, 03:59 AM
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Old 05-29-21, 06:49 AM
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I was riding with a Bontrager Ion Pro headlight (daytime flashing mode) and an Ion 200 RT tail light (flashing - bright) when I was struck from behind by a driver on his cellphone. When the LEO arrived to investigate, the driver claimed he didn't see me. The LEO took one look at me in my brightly colored kit and lights still flashing on the bike, and said "Are you kidding me?" He was cited and found 100% at fault.

I have since added the Garmin Varia radar and light, and another 200RT taillight that magnetically attaches to the back of the new Bontrager helmet I had to buy (well, the driver paid for all of my medical bills and upgrades, along with my new bike, in the lawsuit), so now I have 3 rear lights along with the headlight. I also added a video camera.

Nothing is 100% effective in preventing you from being hit by a distracted, impaired, or just plain clueless driver, but the more you can do to make yourself visible, the better.
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You got to be dead to not see mine.
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Old 05-29-21, 07:05 AM
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I've noticed driving my car on country roads that it's hard to see bikes without tail lights with the shadows and mixed light coming through the trees, DO NOT GO OUT without your tail lights!! Sight seeing drivers can easily miss you.
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Old 05-29-21, 12:55 PM
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I was riding with a Bontrager Ion Pro headlight (daytime flashing mode) and an Ion 200 RT tail light (flashing - bright) when I was struck from behind by a driver on his cellphone. When the LEO arrived to investigate, the driver claimed he didn't see me. The LEO took one look at me in my brightly colored kit and lights still flashing on the bike, and said "Are you kidding me?" He was cited and found 100% at fault.

I have since added the Garmin Varia radar and light, and another 200RT taillight that magnetically attaches to the back of the new Bontrager helmet I had to buy (well, the driver paid for all of my medical bills and upgrades, along with my new bike, in the lawsuit), so now I have 3 rear lights along with the headlight. I also added a video camera.

Nothing is 100% effective in preventing you from being hit by a distracted, impaired, or just plain clueless driver, but the more you can do to make yourself visible, the better.
Although it is nice that the cop saw your light and decided that the imbecile motorist wasn't looking at the road, you were still hit. Prior to purchasing my daylight visibility light I studied cellphoneitis behavior. I found that even the most devote followers of this cult look up from the cell phone every mile or two. So I did an internet search and found the brightest, most visibly obnoxious light available at the time. I don't believe your light lives up to my standard.
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Old 05-31-21, 06:37 PM
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I ride all weathers on 60mph plus roads. I would have been killed many times over the last 20 years without good lights - day or night.
Why haven't I been killed even once then? I never use lights in the daytime and my nightime lights are nothing special. There can't be many 60mph roads that allow bicycles. In any case, roads like that don't usually have too many intersections. That's where the majority of cyclists get hit.
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Originally Posted by gleeloyd View Post
I've recently started using a set of small Bontrager lights that are primarily designed for daytime visibility. Ion 200 RT (front) and Flare RT (rear). Super small, lightweight, and have great mounts for the seat post and bar. Available individually or as a set. Worth looking at if you would like to increase visibility.
I liked them hooked them to my garmin. but when I got a garmin radar and a brighter headlight they were nto great as backups because they are always on so the batteries drain slowly.
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Originally Posted by gleeloyd View Post
I've recently started using a set of small Bontrager lights that are primarily designed for daytime visibility. Ion 200 RT (front) and Flare RT (rear). Super small, lightweight, and have great mounts for the seat post and bar. Available individually or as a set. Worth looking at if you would like to increase visibility.
I liked them hooked them to my garmin. but when I got a garmin radar and a brighter headlight they were nto great as backups because they are always on so the batteries drain slowly.
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Old 05-31-21, 08:02 PM
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Originally Posted by Leisesturm View Post
There can't be many 60mph roads that allow bicycles. In any case, roads like that don't usually have too many intersections. That's where the majority of cyclists get hit.

I ride on many 60 mph roads. Very common here for a lot of thoroughfares once you get outside the city. And with the exception of the interstate highway,they all allow bicycles.

I ride them using good lights. Seems safer.
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Old 05-31-21, 08:57 PM
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Once you get out of town were I live the speed limits run between 45 to 65. Before I started using my daylight visibility light, people passed to close quite often. Know it has only happened once in around 5 years. It was a white US government bus and I believe it was intentional.
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Old 05-31-21, 09:17 PM
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I have the Bontrager Ion Pro front and Flare rear combo linked to my Garmin Edge on my roadie. I feel it makes me more visible on the back roads i ride because I seem to notice riders with DRLs when I'm driving. Although nothing is foolproof against drunks, cell phone users and whatnot.

I have a cheap Schwinn branded red/rear white/front set I got from Walmart that I use for early morning spins through the neighborhood on one of my older bikes. I will also use the cheap white light on the local path I ride so approaching runners will be aware of me from a distance. It is only two lux compared to the bajillion or whatever lux the Bontrager is so I don't think it is much of an issue to use it in strobe mode.

Lights, strobes, blinkies and other forms of lights seem to be a constant source of debate on these forums. I think lights are a good thing to use and I don't know that I would not use one because some people think they are a distraction.
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60mph roads

In the UK 95% of roads allow bicycles. They are not allowed on motorways (freeways ) ie 70mph. In the the UK many intersections have roundabouts that allow high speed exit and entry. Almost no one drives at or below the legal speed limit.
I do about 7500 miles per year all year round. My lights are mounted on my helmet. A driver has to really want to kill me, as I always light them up if I don't see their hood dip as we come together at a roundabouts/intersection. I find lights mounted on the bike cast a too narrow beam and impossible to flash a motorist who is high- beaming me.
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Lights make a good part of a layered safety strategy. With all measures designed to increase visibility, we are trying to command the attention of marginally engaged drivers. During daylight hours cyclists aren't "hard to see" even wearing asphalt colored clothing and using no light.

I use a cocktail of visual enhancements. I wear a bright colored shirt. I also wear bright colored socks. I use lights. I use lane position. I use movement back and forth across the lane.

Lights stand out better on the shaded part of a bicycle. Colors stand out better when the sun is illuminating them. The movement of the neon socks really stands out when they are in the sun. When cars are approaching from either direction, some movement back and forth across the lane may make our silhouette more noticeable.
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Old 06-08-21, 09:17 AM
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I use some obnoxiously bright lights front and rear, day and night. I just angle them downward so they light up the entire road surface for 100 feet both directions but not directly into other people's eyes. On a bright sunny day cutting through grid traffic I might shine the headlight on flashing mode directly in their eyes. Looks like a bike cop I guess. Motorists and peds just freeze up.
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It is easy to be seen from a distance at night without overly bright lights that flash. Using a daylight visibility light at night can have the opposite effect. In other words if the traffic is blinded by the light they might hit you. I use a non flashing light at night. I was in Palm Springs last week and saw several small groups of bicyclists. I didn't notice there visibility lights until I was pretty close. It appears that the daylight visibility lights are popular to have, but having one bright enough that doesn't need frequent charging isn't a major concern. My daylight visibility light will run for over thirty hours before it needs recharging. One benefit to having the brightest of these lights is I don't have to worry about discourteous bicyclists who draft unannounced.
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Having same setup as you do. Working great for me.
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