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Old 10-15-21, 11:59 AM
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Originally Posted by UniChris View Post
That you persist in giving credit to unquestioning media parroting of demonstrably false claims by parties with a vested interest over the actual fact that the location is a shared lane not a bike lane and the evidence that refutes the rest of the false narrative is exactly the issue.
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The only actual evidence available is the video and the fact of the street configuration, what someone told a reporter is meaningless.

If it's mid block drop-offs that are your particular ire the reality is that such is one of the core functions of urban roadways. When vehicle is use restricted, that's what is allowed, it's the through traffic which would be banned. If you wanted to make more space to deconflict that, it means less parking, and less parking actually means more hire vehicles since not everyone can bike or walk and those who do can't for all trips or all weather (says the guy hiking home with two bags of groceries by way of a detour to look at a house for sale)
B-b-but the media report quoted an eyewitness to the event (the injured rider) who declared, “I had no chance. It came out of nowhere.”

There you have it, the final word for those who seek it from their own agenda driven viewpoint, the car came out of nowhere and there was nothing the rider could have done to avoid or mitigate the elevated risk from a mid block drop-off. All fault should be placed at the door of rideshare company cars that come out of nowhere to discharge passengers.

Somehow that sounds just as ridiculous from the mouth of a bicyclist who carelessly rides into another vehicle as it does from a motorist who runs into a bicyclist that he should have seen and taken appropriate avoidance action.
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Old 10-15-21, 01:29 PM
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Originally Posted by UniChris View Post
That you persist in giving credit to unquestioning media parroting of demonstrably false claims by parties with a vested interest over the actual fact that the location is a shared lane not a bike lane and the evidence that refutes the rest of the false narrative is exactly the issue.
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The only actual evidence available is the video and the fact of the street configuration, what someone told a reporter is meaningless.

If it's mid block drop-offs that are your particular ire the reality is that such is one of the core functions of urban roadways. When vehicle is use restricted, that's what is allowed, it's the through traffic which would be banned. If you wanted to make more space to deconflict that, it means less parking, and less parking actually means more hire vehicles since not everyone can bike or walk and those who do can't for all trips or all weather (says the guy hiking home with two bags of groceries by way of a detour to look at a house for sale)

I haven't been "giving credit" to anyone's account other than to accept the reporting that the driver left the scene before police arrived.

As far as I know, double parking and stopping to unload while in a traffic lane are pretty much illegal everywhere, but thanks for the strange lecture.

At this point, I don't even recognize what it is you think you're answering, so I'm out.
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Old 10-15-21, 01:52 PM
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Originally Posted by livedarklions View Post
As far as I know, double parking and stopping to unload while in a traffic lane are pretty much illegal everywhere, but thanks for the strange lecture
Where in your opinion is it appropriate to pick up or drop off passengers or load or unload items then? Especially passengers who may be getting a ride because they can't walk far, or are bringing back a lot of items from a shopping trip?

If you say the end of the block, keep in mind that not only are there explicit laws against stopping within a certain distance of a crosswalk, but also the reason there are no parked cars at the ends of the block is because of the necessary space and sight lines for safety at the intersections - including safety of cyclists.

The real irony is that it's not the pickup/drop-off traffic that's to blame here. Rather, it's the background fear of through traffic which had the cyclist go around the wrong side of the stopped car, rather than check to see if there was any through traffic.

When in more enlightened areas vehicular traffic is restricted to make a "pedestrian priority" area, local pickup, dropoff, delivery, etc operations are those reasons for a vehicle to slowly enter that remain allowed, it's the through traffic which isn't supposed to happen.

The simple way to control hire-vehicle volume is the way we regulate everything in America: pricing, including local surcharges, and maybe waiving them in disability cases (mirroring how many cities find it cheaper to implement a car shuttle service than make their transit systems accessible)

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Old 10-15-21, 02:33 PM
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Originally Posted by UniChris View Post
Where in your opinion is it appropriate to pick up or drop off passengers or load or unload items then? Especially passengers who may be getting a ride because they can't walk far, or are bringing back a lot of items from a shopping trip?
In the alternate reality being promoted on this thread motorists should only be allowed to discharge passengers in off street parking spots designated for such use whether they exist or not in dense urban areas; ya know, just as bicyclists should only ride in lanes designated for their exclusive use.

This thread indicates that having a law degree is no guarantee of expertise with dense urban traffic scenarios outside of their own personal experience, biases or memory, and seem unusually ignorant about driving and bicycling in cities with crowded on-street parallel parking.
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Old 10-16-21, 07:28 AM
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Originally Posted by CliffordK View Post
The video clip I saw was very short, and doesn't show the car or passenger leaving. Plus it lacks audio.

The cyclist did get back up on his 2 feet while the car was there. Hopefully the everything was dragged off of the road while the car was still blocking the lane for safety./Beyond that we don't know everything that transpired.
https://www.facebook.com/LegalRidesh...14944536926697

Beyond that we don't know everything that transpired. And, at this point only have one side of the story.

Did the cyclist tell the driver that he was OK?

The license plate isn't clear in the video, but I have to think it was intentionally obscured by the news agency. There has to be video processing equipment that can take an unmoving 5 minute video clip and clean up the resolution 1000 times. If it was a LYFT driver and passenger, then the company knows the ID.

It has been another week, and no followup stories? Did the driver file a DMV report?
On my computer the Facebook video posted on the LegalRideShare site stalls out at 13 seconds of the 56 sec video, but the first 13 seconds makes clear the car did not come out of nowhere and the cyclist did not appear to alter direction or slow down at all.

Note that in the newscast cited by the OP nobody including the cyclist, lawyer or TV reporter ever stated that the car was a Lyft operated vehicle or even how they knew that it was a rideshare vehicle. This specific law firm specializes in going after rideshare companies so they do make for a handy target for publicity purposes when the actual culprit is not known.

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Old 10-16-21, 11:45 AM
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That's pretty much what I would have expected to see from a wider angle.

I think those cadence sensing ebikes are more of a hazard than if they had an actual throttle. People just put it on the highest setting and spin the cranks so the motor puts out full power all the time. At least if there was a throttle people could ease off a little and slow down without having to change the power setting or hit the brakes.
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Old 10-16-21, 01:37 PM
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Originally Posted by I-Like-To-Bike View Post
On my computer the Facebook video posted on the LegalRideShare site stalls out at 13 seconds of the 56 sec video, but the first 13 seconds makes clear the car did not come out of nowhere and the cyclist did not appear to alter direction or slow down at all.
https://www.facebook.com/LegalRidesh...14944536926697
Thanks for the wider area video. If only it had started a few seconds earlier. The cyclist appears to be more or less keeping up with the pace of the car, but at a reasonable 50 yards back.

The car is clearly visible before the rider arrives, and should have been visible for quite some time.

The door may well have been teleported from space.

And, that is the issue with the dooring incidents. By failing to react to the car, the cyclist put himself in a place going too fast in a restricted area when the door popped open.
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Old 10-16-21, 04:45 PM
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Oh oh someone will not like that vid.

That is exactly what I saw from the other vid but this view is way better.

Thanks for posting it.
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Old 10-17-21, 09:04 AM
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Originally Posted by kingston View Post
Other than leaving the scene of an accident, I didn't see anything illegal. Cars are allowed to pull over and let people out.
If you didn't see anything illegal, it's because you don't know the law. There is a section of the Municipal Code Of Chicago which deals with opening a door into a traffic space:9-80-035 Opening and closing vehicle doors.
No person shall open the door of a vehicle on the side available to moving traffic unless and until it is reasonably safe to do so, and can be done without interfering with the movement of other traffic, nor shall any person leave a door open on the side of a vehicle available to moving traffic for a period of time longer than necessary to load or unload passengers.


The reporter who researched the "Caught on Camera" piece linked above did not get the penalty right. See below, MCC 9-4-025 (c)2. Bolded for your reading pleasure. Note the fine.

9-4-025 Bicycle safety violation - Penalty
(a)
  1. Any person who violates subsection (e) or (f) of Section 9-16-020, subsection (c) of Section 9-36-010, or Section 9-40-060, of this Code, shall be subject to a fine of $150.00 for each offense.
  2. Any person who violates subsection (e) or (f) of Section 9-16-020, subsection (c) of Section 9-36-010, or Section 9-40-060, of this Code, when such violation causes a collision between a motor vehicle and a bicycle, shall be subject to a fine of $500.00 for each offense.
(b)
  1. Any person who violates Section 9-40-160 of this Code, when such violation interferes with the movement of a bicycle, shall be subject to a fine of $150.00 for each offense.
  2. Any person who violates Section 9-40-160 of this Code, when such violation causes a collision between a motor vehicle and a bicycle, shall be subject to a fine of $500.00 for each offense.
(c)
  1. Any person who violates Section 9-80-035 of this Code, when such violation interferes with the movement of a bicycle, shall be subject to a fine of $300.00 for each offense.
  2. Any person who violates Section 9-80-035 of this Code, when such violation causes a collision between a motor vehicle and a bicycle, shall be subject to a fine of $1,000.00 for each offense.
(Added Coun. J. 3-12-08, p. 22781, § 2; Amend Coun. J. 6-5-13, p. 54983, § 1)
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https://www.chicagobikelawfirm.com/p...l-in-one-place
https://willhaley.com/blog/chicago-bicycling/
https://codelibrary.amlegal.com/code...04#JD_9-80-035
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No person shall open the door of a vehicle on the side available to moving traffic unless and until it is reasonably safe to do so, and can be done without interfering with the movement of other traffic.
The door was not opened into a traffic lane, nor a bike lane.

It was opened into a narrow buffer area marked as a door zone.

The law above doesn't apply.
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Originally Posted by sweeks View Post
If you didn't see anything illegal, it's because you don't know the law....
Thanks, Matlock. Let me know how it turns out.
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Originally Posted by CliffordK View Post
The door was not opened into a traffic lane, nor a bike lane.

It was opened into a narrow buffer area marked as a door zone.

The law above doesn't apply.
More info on that specific location, there does not appear to be any no stopping signs posted, and in fact it appears to be marked as a taxi stand on weekend evenings, at least as of Aug 2019 when this Google Street view was recorded.

For those unaware of the difference between no stopping, no standing, and no parking below is a helpful guide from https://www.myparkingsign.com/MPS/No...-Stopping.aspx
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Originally Posted by kingston View Post
Chicago is a dangerous place to ride a bike.
The WORLD is a dangerous place to ride a bike, especially if you are inexperienced, tend to daydream, or think god is watching out for us. At best, it's a big mismatch of weight and size if we mess up. No matter who is at fault, the cyclist always loses.
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Originally Posted by CliffordK View Post
The door was not opened into a traffic lane, nor a bike lane. It was opened into a narrow buffer area marked as a door zone. The law above doesn't apply.
The signage on Lincoln avenue is that of a "shared" lane, as described here: https://chi.streetsblog.org/2014/12/...venue-barrows/
The symbol for the shared lane is visible in the news report as well as on Google Maps (annotated image attached). You can also see it in a post just above ^^. I can't find the "official" language, but I believe a case can be made that this is a sort of bike lane and at least a certain amount of "due diligence" is required for safety reasons.
This probably is moot, as I have yet to see any enforcement of traffic laws affecting bicycles.

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Thanks, Matlock. Let me know how it turns out.
Your sarcasm is duly noted.


Bicycle symbol implies that bikes are to be expected here.
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Originally Posted by sweeks View Post
The signage on Lincoln avenue is that of a "shared" lane, as described here: https://chi.streetsblog.org/2014/12/...venue-barrows/
The symbol for the shared lane is visible in the news report as well as on Google Maps (annotated image attached). You can also see it in a post just above ^^. I can't find the "official" language, but I believe a case can be made that this is a sort of bike lane and at least a certain amount of "due diligence" is required for safety reasons.
This probably is moot, as I have yet to see any enforcement of traffic laws affecting bicycles.


Your sarcasm is duly noted.
Bicycle symbol implies that bikes are to be expected here.
This "sort of bike lane" is a sharrow which does mean bicyles can be expected, but of course so is the collary, motor vehicles can be expected too. Most certainly any cyclist with a lick of experience or sense also can expect a vehicle slowing down and coming to a stop while pulling over to the right as seen in the video (and should have been seen by a sentient cyclist) will prepare for the high probability that a passenger will open a door. An oblivious bicyclst may suffer consequences that even a clever lawyer may not fix, let alone an oblivious lawyer with his own version of sort of bike lanes.

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The marked area to the left of the parked cars is a buffer zone. Cyclists are not supposed to be there because it is a buffer zone to protect cyclists from being DOORED! You have to look at the whole picture not just parts of it. Also no matter what you call it it is not a bike lane.

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When i see that symbol over there, to me, the whole lane counts as a bike lane.
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Originally Posted by holytrousers View Post
When i see that symbol over there, to me, the whole lane counts as a bike lane.
But also a car lane.

What it really means is you're not supposed to pass each other in that lane (it's used where there isn't room for that), but rather use it serially one after another, unless you can leave the shared lane to pass the other party.

"Bicycles may use entire lane" is a much clearer sign for these situations, and has the same actual meaning (or if you want to quibble, "sharrows" change "may" to "should" by directing cyclists to a position that is literally "taking the lane")

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As an aside, just because people who sell rides call it ride "sharing" doesn't mean we are supposed to follow suit. Same goes for calling bicycle renting bicycle sharing. We are free to speak plainly and thruthfully.

I feel better now.
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As an aside, just because people who sell rides call it ride "sharing" doesn't mean we are supposed to follow suit. Same goes for calling bicycle renting bicycle sharing. We are free to speak plainly and thruthfully.
IMHO you've misidentified the euphemism.

It's not the "ride" that is being shared - that would be a carpool, which apart from stretching the term to a small side business of pool hire rides isn't what these services offer.

In contrast, bike sharing really is sharing the fleet of bikes.

But then so is "car sharing" - both in the comparable zipcar type business and in traditional car rental.
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Unfortunately, painting an outline of bike on the side of the street doesn't magically turn it into a bike lane.
This is the problem with any bike lane. Like the painted lines of a bike lane will keep a person safe.
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Originally Posted by livedarklions View Post
I haven't been "giving credit" to anyone's account other than to accept the reporting that the driver left the scene before police arrived.

As far as I know, double parking and stopping to unload while in a traffic lane are pretty much illegal everywhere, but thanks for the strange lecture.

At this point, I don't even recognize what it is you think you're answering, so I'm out.
Aww. You are out again?
After arguing with everyone didn’t you first announce that you were out back on page three?
Cya later, soon
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Started cycle commuting in 87 from Peterson and Western to the Rand-McNally facility in Skokie. 14 miles rt. 2 evenings and Saturdays to The Old Town School Of Folk Music on Armitage where I taught bass and guitar. 10 miles rt. Then Sunday to church in Evanston. 16 miles rt. That doesn't include incidentals like grocery runs, etc. So, I was doing between 115-150 miles per week. The learning curve was steep and fast. The thing is that I'd go weeks without seeing another cyclist. Never got doored in the 5 years I was carfree. Kept my head on a swivel. Best years of my life. There were no bike lanes, no cycling activists, no funding, no study groups, no cycling advocacy clubs. It was the wild west. Law of the jungle. lol The only thing that happened was my gf got doored because she wasn't paying attention. Fractured 2 fingers. You have to approach traffic like you're in a herd of rhinos. They don't see you, they don't like you and they weigh 4000 lbs. That's the reality.

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That the driver and passenger took off is infuriating. I can't believe that if the authorities were incentived that they couldn't identify these individuals. Video cameras abound; Lyft must have records of who was driving in that area that time of day; credit card charges should be able to narrow down who the passenger was.

That bicyclist seemed to be moving pretty fast--esp if that was not a e-bike. If the police wrote a report they would hold that against him (I know). I have to wonder if the Lyft had passed the bicyclist anytime previously. Drivers can adapt a attitude of once I pass a bicycle I can permanently forget about it.

My son lives in Seattle. He was going to college at UC Davis and rode a bike there. I have asked him not to get a bike in Seattle. The risks of big city biking just don't really feel worth it to me.
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