Another “vehicular mass casualties” event in Michigan, during July 30 WAM ride
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Another “vehicular mass casualties” event in Michigan, during July 30 WAM ride
It doesn’t seem like much time has passed since the 2016 crash in Kalamazoo, Michigan that killed 5 and badly injured another 4 (IIRC), because this accident 2 days ago out in Ionia on the Make-a-Wish ride, which killed two and injured three more, seems all too familiar:
https://www.lansingstatejournal.com/...r/10200350002/
It’s particularly close to the bone for me, as I had many friends on that ride, and one of those killed was from my town, though I didn’t know him personally.
I don’t have any particular insights and certainly don’t have any answers, but I’m feeling blue and wanted to put up a post about this tragedy as a small way to memorialize it, express condolences to friends and relatives of the deceased, and as a tool to help me remember to keep my head up when on the bike and to always stay sharp.
https://www.lansingstatejournal.com/...r/10200350002/
It’s particularly close to the bone for me, as I had many friends on that ride, and one of those killed was from my town, though I didn’t know him personally.
I don’t have any particular insights and certainly don’t have any answers, but I’m feeling blue and wanted to put up a post about this tragedy as a small way to memorialize it, express condolences to friends and relatives of the deceased, and as a tool to help me remember to keep my head up when on the bike and to always stay sharp.
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Add road noise back to the cabin, subtract big stereos, loosen the anti-sway bars, make brakes feel like they need 2 foots on the pedal, make the accelerator need a heavy foot just to get going...If a car feels like a dangerous POS the driver has to be engaged.
That being said, in no way should a car have actual performance deficiencies. Drivers today simply have no concept of the power they wield & design should place ready front the consequences of negligence or complacency by involving the drivers senses in the command process. I.è. Nudge the driver to safer behavior be stripping away feelings of security.
That car will never sell.
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I shouldn't have to "make myself more visible;" Drivers should just stop running people over.
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Make cars feel dangerous again. Too often the design is to insulate & distract the driver from the task of driving. The better it does this the more expensive & luxurious the car is considered to be.
Add road noise back to the cabin, subtract big stereos, loosen the anti-sway bars, make brakes feel like they need 2 foots on the pedal, make the accelerator need a heavy foot just to get going...If a car feels like a dangerous POS the driver has to be engaged.
That being said, in no way should a car have actual performance deficiencies. Drivers today simply have no concept of the power they wield & design should place ready front the consequences of negligence or complacency by involving the drivers senses in the command process. I.è. Nudge the driver to safer behavior be stripping away feelings of security.
That car will never sell.
Add road noise back to the cabin, subtract big stereos, loosen the anti-sway bars, make brakes feel like they need 2 foots on the pedal, make the accelerator need a heavy foot just to get going...If a car feels like a dangerous POS the driver has to be engaged.
That being said, in no way should a car have actual performance deficiencies. Drivers today simply have no concept of the power they wield & design should place ready front the consequences of negligence or complacency by involving the drivers senses in the command process. I.è. Nudge the driver to safer behavior be stripping away feelings of security.
That car will never sell.
Nice idea, making drivers more aware. But heck, so many just barely passed driver's ed, and the licence test is easy... so clearly drivers feel entitled to the road and believe they own it, so cyclists best be on the alert for these rolling entertainment/couch cruisers... they don't care, so we have to.
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i was very close at joining that event this year. sad SMH.
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Make cars feel dangerous again. Too often the design is to insulate & distract the driver from the task of driving. The better it does this the more expensive & luxurious the car is considered to be.
Add road noise back to the cabin, subtract big stereos, loosen the anti-sway bars, make brakes feel like they need 2 foots on the pedal, make the accelerator need a heavy foot just to get going...If a car feels like a dangerous POS the driver has to be engaged.
That being said, in no way should a car have actual performance deficiencies. Drivers today simply have no concept of the power they wield & design should place ready front the consequences of negligence or complacency by involving the drivers senses in the command process. I.è. Nudge the driver to safer behavior be stripping away feelings of security.
That car will never sell.
Add road noise back to the cabin, subtract big stereos, loosen the anti-sway bars, make brakes feel like they need 2 foots on the pedal, make the accelerator need a heavy foot just to get going...If a car feels like a dangerous POS the driver has to be engaged.
That being said, in no way should a car have actual performance deficiencies. Drivers today simply have no concept of the power they wield & design should place ready front the consequences of negligence or complacency by involving the drivers senses in the command process. I.è. Nudge the driver to safer behavior be stripping away feelings of security.
That car will never sell.
I've been driving for over 20 years now and the only times I ever left skid marks on the road was driving a late model rental SUV and another rental full sized sedan with v6 engine!! (I'm supposed to rent a sub compact but it's all they have!!)I can barely feel the speed on the road with the quiet interior, very isolating suspension system, I under estimated my speed quite a few times coming up on an intersection or sharp turn exit!
Your idea is a good start! With a little tweak, it can be turned into a workable and feasible solution. Only big and heavy cars / SUV cause "excessive" isolation of the driver from the road.... So instead of possibly banning these vehicles from the road, we could raise taxes for ownership of these vehicles. The extra revenue from the taxes can then be used to improve bike infrastructure.
Modern subcompact cars are a lot less isolating from the road. But compare them to subcompact cars in the 90's, they still offer more isolation and ironically, stiffer suspension systems offer better handling than "mushy" setup.
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The cause of this tragic event was not the “isolation from the road” of modern cars, it was due to the driver being intoxicated.
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& disconnected from the consequences of his/her/their actions.
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I shouldn't have to "make myself more visible;" Drivers should just stop running people over.
Car dependency is a tax.
I shouldn't have to "make myself more visible;" Drivers should just stop running people over.
Car dependency is a tax.
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Remove all the modern safety equipment like ABS brakes, seatbelts etc and put a big sharp spike on the steering wheel and watch how carefully everyone drives all of a sudden...
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Darn. I very seldom see drunk drivers weaving. Usually it's when I'm driving.
But anyway, I feel 99.99% safe while riding. It's NEVER been better where I've been. South California might be a different story.
I'm never in a group, so that helps a bunch. My lights are on all the time with the SA dyno.
But anyway, I feel 99.99% safe while riding. It's NEVER been better where I've been. South California might be a different story.
I'm never in a group, so that helps a bunch. My lights are on all the time with the SA dyno.
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