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Old 08-31-22, 09:59 PM
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Originally Posted by Daniel4 View Post
That's what we wish. Because the driver remained at the scene, he'd most likely be released without charges.
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I have seen cyclists ride right into the danger zone of vehicles that were signaling their turn and in the process of a turn. I suspect an alert cyclist would have been able to avoid this if it were truly a right hook as opposed to more of a sideswipe. Physics just don't support a large truck making a rapid hook into that parking lot. Visually and audibly there were likely indicators of a slowing truck, and that is supposed to serve as a warning. I drive in areas with a fragmented bike lane system. It can be hard to remain constantly aware of when there is a marked lane beside me. I will never overtake a cyclist and turn right in front of them. I have had cyclists ride into my danger zone as I am turning.
This is why I always take the lane to cross intersections or watch my mirror like a hawk on streets with lots of entrances to businesses/parking lots etc. Also why I pretty much never ever pass cars too.
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Old 08-31-22, 10:35 PM
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I've had a trucker come up beside me from behind at a red light, honk twice as warning, and start turning right. I sprinted out of that scenario. Just a simple bullying move on his part. If I'd been squished, people would be saying all the things I did wrong.

A recent behavior I've seen among bike-hating motorists is passing then turning on their right-turn signal, with no intention of turning right. Another intimidation move, a feigned right hook.
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Old 09-01-22, 04:58 AM
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...different person, different incident, different location. Foggy Bottom is all the way down in town, Bethesda is north, up in the MD 'burbs.
You're right, I stand corrected. The first two videos in the link is concerning the person in the subject of this thread, the last (third) video is a totally separate incident in DC
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Old 09-01-22, 09:48 AM
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Originally Posted by downtube42 View Post
I've had a trucker come up beside me from behind at a red light, honk twice as warning, and start turning right. I sprinted out of that scenario. Just a simple bullying move on his part. If I'd been squished, people would be saying all the things I did wrong.

A recent behavior I've seen among bike-hating motorists is passing then turning on their right-turn signal, with no intention of turning right. Another intimidation move, a feigned right hook.
In spring of 2018 on a Wednesday morning 10 or 11am, I had a tractor trailor honk at me while I was riding in the diamond lane of a four lane street. All the other lanes to my left were empty. The trucker honked again then changed lanes, passed me and got back into my lane with probably two feet to spare to my front.

When I caught up with him at the traffic light, I told him that this was a diamond lane and bicycles were supposed to be here. He swore back at me. That was the moment I was convinced to get an action camera.
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Old 09-01-22, 08:37 PM
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Originally Posted by GamblerGORD53 View Post
The most likely scenario is the truck slowed to make a wide turn, then cyclist caught up and entered the **** zone.
My technique to avoid getting hooked was to keep a speed as close to 20 mph as i could, given the circumstances. It is almost impossible for a normal car or truck to make a sharp 90į turn at 20mph. Also, 20 mph is roughly the speed where I look like TRAFFIC and not a stationary object - so motorists are more than happy to FOLLOW me to their turn. I always use a helmet mounted rear-view mirror. And I pay attention to traffic, not clouds, birds, or daydreaming. Awareness is KEY. I see so many "cyclists" rolling along without a care in the world as if they were the only person on Earth.

I have a folding bike with 14" wheels, single speed. I can only get about 13-14 mph pace out of that thing. Every time I ride it someone tries to right-hook me. At 18-20 mph (different bike) I get ZERO hook attempts. The saying "Speed Kills" does not apply to bicycling in traffic.

So if she was a daydreaming slowpoke her odds of getting hooked was nearly 100%.

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Old 09-02-22, 06:25 PM
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And sometimes, you just meet one of these drivers:
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Old 09-02-22, 09:59 PM
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And sometimes, you just meet one of these drivers:
If the police sees that, the driver's record should be examined and if true investigate why such a dangerous driver is still on the road.
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Old 09-03-22, 04:59 AM
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If the police sees that, the driver's record should be examined and if true investigate why such a dangerous driver is still on the road.
The club member (yes, it was from around here) that took the picture also wrote down the tag number and gave it to the local authorities. Nothing can be done, as no crime has been committed, but a note and copy of the picture was attached to the operators license file. Should they ever be involved in a car-bicycle collision, they are going to have a hard time with the "I didn't see them" excuse.
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Old 09-03-22, 09:19 AM
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Originally Posted by Bald Paul View Post
The club member (yes, it was from around here) that took the picture also wrote down the tag number and gave it to the local authorities. Nothing can be done, as no crime has been committed, but a note and copy of the picture was attached to the operators license file. Should they ever be involved in a car-bicycle collision, they are going to have a hard time with the "I didn't see them" excuse.
1. What is an "operators license file"? Does it include anything other than a database of traffic violations/citations, and license applications, renewals and points for violations. Who maintains it other than the state. I'm surprised there is a place for interesting photos of non violations.

2. The "I didn't see them" excuse is always an invalid defense for drivers trying to lessen the blame, liability or assignment of responsibility for collisions that could have been avoided if the excuse makers had been looking where they should have been paying attention. The offensive rear window decal would be irrelevant to the "excuse" unless it was blocking the driver's vision.
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Old 09-09-22, 08:33 AM
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Old 09-09-22, 01:05 PM
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And sometimes, you just meet one of these drivers:
That's pretty awesome! I have a good sense of humor tho.
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Old 09-09-22, 02:38 PM
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That's pretty awesome! I have a good sense of humor tho.
I'm certain you'll be chuckling should you become #8 on the Hit List.
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I'm certain you'll be chuckling should you become #8 on the Hit List.
And I'm certain that sticker is a joke.
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Old 09-10-22, 05:55 AM
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Originally Posted by JoeyBike View Post
And I'm certain that sticker is a joke.
About as funny as one depicting someone drowning kittens.
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Old 09-11-22, 12:13 AM
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Originally Posted by LarrySellerz View Post
The truck ran her over. Of course its his fault/responsibility even if she was being negligent. Its like if a pedestrian is doing something moronic its still your if you hit them on your bicycle.
This simply is not true. Not at all. In fact, your incorrect understanding of the law and vehicle code is a problem. It's YOUR thinking that endangers cyclists. I've had many, many pedestrians step into my path ILLEGALLY and almost cause a collision. The California Vehicle Code makes it clear that pedestrians must first obey the law. They can't simply walk against a red light in a busy intersection without fault if they're hit. Hit by a car or a bicycle, it doesn't matter: the pedestrian crossing against the red is at fault.

Additionally, the VC understands that there's common sense involved too. A pedestrian, even while crossing legally in a marked crosswalk, must make his intentions known and clear to oncoming drivers. So in other words, if a pedestrian suddenly darts into a marked crosswalk without warning and you run him over in your car or on your bike, the pedestrian is at fault. It's quite simple.

Perpetuating your misinformation only makes conditions worse for cyclists. One of my college team members was taken out by a pedestrian illegally crossing against a red light. Pedestrian was unharmed, cyclist suffered broken bones. Idiots who don't cross legally are a danger to all cyclists.
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Old 09-11-22, 08:52 AM
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I assume they cannot see me. When I drive I assume they are going to dart in front of me. When I walk I assume they are not going to stop. I call it the difference between having a right and surviving.
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Old 11-06-22, 11:31 AM
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The typical unprotected bike lanes on America streets are dangerous because they give you a false sense of security.

The people who designed them are likely not cyclists themselves and have no clue how make them safer.
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It comes down to a question of does the cyclist have right of way on a marked bike lane and does the driver of the truck have a responsibility to yield to cycling traffic in that lane. There is no stop sign for cyclists as far as I can tell, so there is no expectation for cyclists to be stopping and yielding to turning traffic. I can I would suspect the answer is going to be yes, the truck driver has a responsibility to yield, which he did not do. Question is will the police cite him for failure to yield, which I suspect they won't do.
we simply donít have enough information to reach a conclusion.

Assume the truck was well in front of the cyclist; Truck signals its turn, and slows. Cyclist rides into the truckís blind spot. Despite checking mirrors and signaling truck driver doesnít see the cyclist, and cyclist obliviously continues forward as truck turns.

Not saying it happened that way, but from the available information it is one plausible scenario.

and if it did happen that way, highly unlikely any jury would convict the driver of a crime, nor a civil jury not assign the majority of fault to the driver.

in other words we donít know.
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Originally Posted by merlinextraligh View Post
we simply donít have enough information to reach a conclusion.

Assume the truck was well in front of the cyclist; Truck signals its turn, and slows. Cyclist rides into the truckís blind spot. Despite checking mirrors and signaling truck driver doesnít see the cyclist, and cyclist obliviously continues forward as truck turns.

Not saying it happened that way, but from the available information it is one plausible scenario.

and if it did happen that way, highly unlikely any jury would convict the driver of a crime, nor a civil jury not assign the majority of fault to the driver.

in other words we donít know.
Completely plausible scenario and is what I think happened as well. I have seen a few news reports of similar bike-truck accidents in NYC over the past 2 years or so, somewhat similar scenario, truck turning, doesn't or cannot see cyclist that is alongside, turns and kills the cyclist. With no evidence as to how these accidents occurred I have pondered if it was just a bad choice for the cyclist to ride alongside a truck that would eventually turn, using signals or not. When you are right alongside a truck, you may not be in position to see a turn signal. Ultimately a bad place to be and I guess the solution is don't ride alongside a truck.
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Assume the truck was well in front of the cyclist; Truck signals its turn, and slows. Cyclist rides into the truck’s blind spot. Despite checking mirrors and signaling truck driver doesn’t see the cyclist, and cyclist obliviously continues forward as truck turns.
Should be rear facing wide angle cameras on side of cab or front edge of trailer if tractor/trailer unit and a 17" screen dead center of console to negate blind spot for driver.

All wage structuring/policies/issues causing time sensitive driving should be legislated out of existence for commercial vehicle operators.
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About as funny as one depicting someone drowning kittens.
Thanks for reminding me why I have had him on my iggy list for a long time. Somewhat sociopathic is how he portrays himself.
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The truck ran her over. Of course its his fault/responsibility even if she was being negligent. Its like if a pedestrian is doing something moronic its still your if you hit them on your bicycle.
Someone clearly did not make law review.
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Originally Posted by indyfabz View Post
Thanks for reminding me why I have had him on my iggy list for a long time. Somewhat sociopathic is how he portrays himself.

So you missed the post where he cracked up laughing at videos of a pickup truck driver rolling coal on a bunch of cyclists?

He really needs to be banned.
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Should be rear facing wide angle cameras on side of cab or front edge of trailer if tractor/trailer unit and a 17" screen dead center of console to negate blind spot for driver.

All wage structuring/policies/issues causing time sensitive driving should be legislated out of existence for commercial vehicle operators.
you do realize that literally everything you have came on a truck, and increasing the cost of truck transportation increases the cost of those things.

So impose rules on trucks, and it increases the price of the things they deliver, like bikes, and thus means fewer bikes.

net, net, it’s not so simple, everything has costs and benefits. The trade offs are why economics is called the dismal science

Easy to say we should mandate this or that, but when you weigh all the costs and benefits, it becomes way more complicated
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When her case comes up in court, the judge should throw the book at the truck driver, as a warning to all.
Yeah? and just what exactly is your idea of throwing the book?
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