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Old 11-17-22, 02:23 PM
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BTW, no way does that source indicate that people who drive nicer Jaguars are less likely to be antisocial. That's an absurd stretch.

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Old 11-17-22, 02:33 PM
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Originally Posted by base2 View Post
Starts at $48k...It'd be worth it to fly to whatever market you are in & drive it back at that price. Here on Jaguar USA it starts at $52,400 base price, base model & goes upwards to $90k
No, starts at $48k in the U.S.:
https://www.jaguarusa.com/all-models/e-pace/index.html
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I drove a Jaguar around England once. The rental car agency had guaranteed me a car with an automatic transmission (being an idiot American raised in flat suburbia in the Midwest, I couldn't drive a standard), and it was all they had. It was not a pleasant experience.
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I had an F-Pace as a loaner when my car was in the shop for a warranty repair. Compared to my sedan it rides poorly, doesn't turn or stop as well, and got only around 29 MPG on the interstate.

The driver of that vehicle has to be a <deleted>, because only a <deleted> would drive an F-Pace when an XF Sportbrake is an option. Sadly, they are no longer available new in the US.
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Old 11-17-22, 08:45 PM
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Originally Posted by livedarklions View Post
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BTW, no way does that source indicate that people who drive nicer Jaguars are less likely to be antisocial. That's an absurd stretch.
The concept of stressed out people at the end of their rope fighting over a perceived scarcity of resources due to a depleted mental tool box exhausted by a constant stream of no-win decisions is not really a stretch.

It seems reasonable that people at the other end of the spectrum with near infinite supply of resources and a deep broad pool of security would be less inclined towards irrational violent behavior.

I mean, when was the last time Steve Jobs, or Bill Gates or other billionaire got in a road rage incident? Doesn't happen.

Fake-rich people stressed out by keeping the illusion of it all & maintaining a cash-flow dependent fiat currency lifestyle are often stressed and act irrational. Those people drive luxury cars like a-holes...The anti-social a-hole we see here. It's the same reason the dirt poor act irrational & do things like buy gold chains, bling rims & get hoppy cars, ridiculously comically large Bro-Trucks & other poor spending decisions...on credit that can't possibly repaid. It's a coping mechanism to rebel against the scarcity of resources. To exercise a brief instant of control over the situation, to refill the emotional gas-tank.

There is a lot here to unpack that is well beyond the scope of BF & deep into the marketing/commerce manipulation of human psychology well. I suggest we leave it there.

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Old 11-17-22, 08:53 PM
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Originally Posted by tomato coupe View Post
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Originally Posted by base2 View Post

Actual rich people are on firm enough emotional footing to not act like babies on the street.
If we take "the street" metaphorically, recent behavior in the news might suggest otherwise.
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Originally Posted by base2 View Post
The concept of stressed out people at the end of their rope fighting over a perceived scarcity of resources due to a depleted mental tool box exhausted by a constant stream of no-win decisions is not really a stretch.

It seems reasonable that people at the other end of the spectrum with near infinite supply of resources and a deep broad pool of security would be less inclined towards irrational violent behavior.

I mean, when was the last time Steve Jobs, or Bill Gates or other billionaire got in a road rage incident? Doesn't happen.

Fake-rich people stressed out by keeping the illusion of it all & maintaining a cash-flow dependent fiat currency lifestyle are often stressed and act irrational. Those people drive luxury cars like a-holes...The anti-social a-hole we see here. It's the same reason the dirt poor act irrational & do things like buy gold chains, bling rims & get hoppy cars & other poor spending decisions...on credit. To rebel against the scarcity of resources. To exercise a brief instant of control over the situation, to refill the emotional gas-tank.

There is a lot here to unpack that is well beyond the scope of BF & deep into the marketing/commerce manipulation of human psychology well. I suggest we leave it there.
Cool story, bro. Also complete bs you made up. The rich can buy nondisclosure agreements.

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Old 11-17-22, 09:32 PM
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I mean, when was the last time Steve Jobs, or Bill Gates or other billionaire got in a road rage incident?
For Steve Jobs I can guarantee it was before 05 OCT 2011.
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For Steve Jobs I can guarantee it was before 05 OCT 2011.

Mel Gibson is pretty rich.
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People drive 47,000 luxury vehicles as status symbols. It's obvious that this cyclist, whatever his motivation was rightfully having none of it. Cars are cars. Status is a construct.

People don't tend to stand on the street in protest against powerful forces unless what they perceive as a grand transgression has taken place.

Whatever transpired between the two, the car driver turned into a sad, sad baby when his status symbol didn't get him the desired result.

Actual rich people are on firm enough emotional footing to not act like babies on the street.
I find it amazing how people can make these deductions based on so little information. You must be far, far more intelligent than I! I, personally, am completely unable to understand how you find sufficient evidence in the video linked to this post to support any of your statements. But, then, my user name ...
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'The matter was concluded by way of a community resolution order issued to the driver, who also agreed to pay compensation for the damage to the man.'

So it looks as if the driver had to explain and justify his actions before some sort of judge or mediator.
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The article indicated the driver was paying for the bike, the cyclist was unhurt and there would be no criminal charges. I don't think this would be handled this way in the US.
Just depends on the money involved. If you were done that way by Joe from down the street, you are probably correct.
If it were someone of means, they'd very probably sue you and force a defense. Maybe something even sillier in a stand your ground state. Like shooting you because they "feared for their life" or sommat.
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Just depends on the money involved. If you were done that way by Joe from down the street, you are probably correct.
If it were someone of means, they'd very probably sue you and force a defense. Maybe something even sillier in a stand your ground state. Like shooting you because they "feared for their life" or sommat.

Most places in the US, I think the existence of that video would cause the driver to be charged criminally. Generally, a car is considered a deadly weapon and it sure looks like he either made contact or intended to.
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I find it amazing how people can make these deductions based on so little information. You must be far, far more intelligent than I! I, personally, am completely unable to understand how you find sufficient evidence in the video linked to this post to support any of your statements. But, then, my user name ...

Well, he can't seem to imagine a very wealthy person acting with a sense of unjustified entitlement, so you're at least even in that department.
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'The matter was concluded by way of a community resolution order issued to the driver, who also agreed to pay compensation for the damage to the man.'

So it looks as if the driver had to explain and justify his actions before some sort of judge or mediator.
"Community Resolutions provide an opportunity for the police to deal with appropriate low level offences and offenders without recourse to formal criminal justice sanctions.
This could include a simple apology, an offer of compensation or a promise to clear up any graffiti or criminal damage."

It is similar, but different, to restorative justice in some US jurisdictions. (Most US jurisdictions with restorative justice require agreement between the victim, the accused, and police, prosecution, defense, and a judge to divert the accused out of the criminal justice system.)

In the UK, with some exceptions, a community resolutions order just requires consent of the victim, the accused, and police at the scene.
(And it requires the accused to admit blame.)


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Well, he can't seem to imagine a very wealthy person acting with a sense of unjustified entitlement, so you're at least even in that department.
No. I can imagine an insanely wealthy person acting with a sense of unjustified entitlement. This is a higher order thought process.

What I said was irrational violent anti-social behavior. which is a base level, emotional response to cumulative stresses.

Fake-rich consumed by stress of balancing "it all" & the poverty stricken worn down by a constant stream of no-win decisions both respond with the same bursts of irrational animal behavior.

How is this new? Been a human on planet Earth long?
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There is a lot here to unpack that is well beyond the scope of BF & deep into the marketing/commerce manipulation of human psychology well. I suggest we leave it there.
Yeah, I suggest we leave it there as well. Not because it's difficult to unpack, but because it's a load of doo doo.
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No. I can imagine an insanely wealthy person acting with a sense of unjustified entitlement. This is a higher order thought process.

What I said was irrational violent anti-social behavior. which is a base level, emotional response to cumulative stresses.

Fake-rich consumed by stress of balancing "it all" & the poverty stricken worn down by a constant stream of no-win decisions both respond with the same bursts of irrational animal behavior.

How is this new? Been a human on planet Earth long?
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You seriously think the scarcity they are referring to is just which model of car or other status trappings? "Scarcity" can refer to anything one wants more of. You can be insanely wealthy and be power hungry, and that leads to all sort of anti-social aggressive behavior.

If you're expecting people to buy into this notion that the rich are somehow less prone to irrational aggression, you're going to have to do a lot better than that. You obviously half-understand the concept you're throwing around here, and acting like it's a logical deduction that someone with x model of Jaguar is more prone to aggression than someone with y model of Jaguar. That's absurd. You don't suddenly become immune to status consciousness at some level of wealth, it could actually be argued that the pressures to maintain status might actually be more intense with the high visibility that great wealth brings.
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You seriously think the scarcity they are referring to is just which model of car or other status trappings? "Scarcity" can refer to anything one wants more of. You can be insanely fake wealthy and be power hungry, and that leads to all sort of anti-social aggressive behavior.
Like becoming hyper focused with tunnel vision, consumed with rage & running over a cyclist or his bicycle over some perceived wrong concerning the public resource?

If you're expecting people to buy into this notion that the rich are somehow less prone to irrational aggression, you're going to have to do a lot better than that. You obviously half-understand the concept you're throwing around here, and acting like it's a logical deduction that someone with x model of Jaguar is more prone to aggression than someone with y model of Jaguar. That's absurd.
Not the actual rich. The stressed out & insecure.

Jaguar X, Jaguar Y, Audi, BMW. Doesn't matter. Fake-rich stressed out people gravitate to that which they most desire. (In this case a luxury brand automobile.) It's the cornerstone of luxury brands image. There is a reason those brands have a reputation for being driven by aggressive jerks. It's the behavior that betrays that persons true state.

You don't suddenly become immune to status consciousness at some level of wealth, it could actually be argued that the pressures to maintain status might actually be more intense with the high visibility that great wealth brings.
I didn't say immune to status. I said status is a construct. A construct people susceptible to the image portrayed by luxury brands are susceptible to. Actual secure people have better things to do than to engage in petty disputes over public a resource; Much less be concerned about image among those whom they don't even consider peers.

Maybe it can be rationalized any one of a hundred different ways. Too much to lose. Nothing to be gained. They outsource the worry to a chauffeur or butler... Whatever. The point is their personal psychological security well is deep enough they are not irrationally insecure over petty concerns...That's sort of a defining feature of you know...feeling/being secure.

This is hardly FBI level character deconstruction.

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Like becoming hyper focused with tunnel vision, consumed with rage & running over a cyclist or his bicycle over some perceived wrong concerning the public resource?


Not the actual rich. The stressed out & insecure.

Jaguar X, Jaguar Y, Audi, BMW. Doesn't matter. Fake-rich stressed out people gravitate to that which they most desire. (In this case a luxury brand automobile.) It's the cornerstone of luxury brands image. There is a reason those brands have a reputation for being driven by aggressive jerks. It's the behavior that betrays that persons true state.


I didn't say immune to status. I said status is a construct. A construct people susceptible to the image portrayed by luxury brands are susceptible to. Actual secure people have better things to do than to engage in petty disputes over public a resource; Much less be concerned about image among those whom they don't even consider peers.

Maybe it can be rationalized any one of a hundred different ways. Too much to lose. Nothing to be gained. They outsource the worry to a chauffeur or butler... Whatever. The point is their personal psychological security well is deep enough they are not irrationally insecure over petty concerns...That's sort of a defining feature of you know...feeling/being secure.

This is hardly FBI level character deconstruction.
If you don't think rich people can get emotionally insecure over petty concerns, you obviously don't know any.

I really don't appreciate your putting words into my quotes as if I said them. I reject this notion of fake wealthy vs. real wealthy as being particularly meaningful, so don't insert it into my quote. Impostor syndrome is pretty much endemic to humans, so your assumption that a certain level of wealth brings with it status security, satisfaction, and some version of serenity is just complete bs.

Your whole argument is inane, and really amounts to "money buys emotional security".

TBH, I have never actually seen road rage as intense as what's in the video
--it was very close to attempted murder.

It's something of a one-off. Statistically, no one is likely to do such a thing regardless of social class. You have constructed a ridiculous class-based argument based on the model of the car involved, knowing essentially nothing about the situation or the driver. When such a black swan event occurs, it's unlikely to involve a billionaire, but that's because there really aren't a lot of billionaires.

BTW, is Elon Musk really rich? I'm pretty sure he just crashed at least one major company with petty, impulsive aggression. I doubt he drives a Jaguar.
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Why do we get the value of the car and not the bike as well?
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Threaddrift alert!!!!!!!
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Why do we get the value of the car and not the bike as well?
Because society values drivers and, unlike the "Wow, You Must Be Rich" thread in General Cycling, assumes cyclists can't afford cars.
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Threaddrift alert!!!!!!!

In fairness, the clickbait headline set this off in a really lame direction.
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