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Old 01-24-23, 01:04 AM
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We can't all be chained to our "gorgeous" bikes.

Is that pipe insulation with zip ties on the bars?
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Something I have noticed whenever this topic comes up, cyclists seem to like ALDI.
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Originally Posted by SurferRosa View Post
Is that pipe insulation with zip ties on the bars?Ö


I think ILTB has a pretty good transportation rig. Fenders, good lighting, low maintenance drive train. I get a lot of utility out of zip ties and old inner tubes.

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Something I have noticed whenever this topic comes up, cyclists seem to like ALDI.
Iíve tried ALDI in three different locations. Smaller, simpler store concept should have advantages but they donít execute well. Produce quality was not good and they didnít have some basics I was looking for. I havenít been back to any of them.
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Originally Posted by I-Like-To-Bike View Post
My nearest ALDI has a very convenient wall near the door to lean my bicycle against where lock it; just like the other stores in the area. I too have had no bicycle stolen in the 20 years I have used this method while shopping at local stores.

I could lock it to the rails around the shopping carts but it is likely to interfere with shoppers as the sidewalk is not that wide at that location.Luckily I am not paranoid about bicycle thieves lurking in every nearby shadow waiting to pounce at the sight of any bicycle not locked and bolted to the ground.


When you typed that bit about "paranoid", did it not occur to you that the likelihood of theft might be much higher in other places? I wouldn't dream of leaving a bike like that in Boston, for example.
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Originally Posted by I-Like-To-Bike View Post
More a problem in some European locations than found almost anywhere in the U.S.










Then again there sometimes could be found exceptions in the U.S.

Davis California 1963, Photo by Ansel Adams
It's a problem in the US when there aren't bike parking facilities like that to fill up. I've been in urban neighborhoods where all of the street signs have a bike locked to them. I would not recommend leaving your bike against a wall in that context. We don't all live in Iowa.
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a modern CF bicycle would either become damaged or stolen if left locked up unattended in my area. Hardly any interests will be drawn to a deranged looking bicycle when left out in public...
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Originally Posted by flangehead View Post


I think ILTB has a pretty good transportation rig.
I wouldn't want to actually ride it anywhere, but ymmv. It's certainly got one thing going for it:

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Hardly any interests will be drawn to a deranged looking bicycle when left in public.
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Originally Posted by Troul View Post
a modern CF bicycle would either become damaged or stolen if left locked up unattended in my area. Hardly any interests will be drawn to a deranged looking bicycle when left out in public...
Thieves may want the bicycle for the value of the metal.
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Thieves may want the bicycle for the value of the metal.
There's a lot of labor in stripping down that bicycle to net a few bucks at best. Just tossing that bicycle as it to a recycler wouldn't get you likely half as much. A person that is "in the know" of such activity wouldn't waste there time.

Better off waiting for that CF bicycle to claim & resell to an unsuspecting buyer...
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Originally Posted by Troul View Post
There's a lot of labor in stripping down that bicycle to net a few bucks at best. Just tossing that bicycle as it to a recycler wouldn't get you likely half as much. A person that is "in the know" of such activity wouldn't waste there time.

Better off waiting for that CF bicycle to claim & resell to an unsuspecting buyer...
There are professional bike thieves in big cities and college towns in the U.S. who target expensive bikes, but the street value of almost any working bike stolen by a casual (i.e., opportunistic) thief is about $15, or was for many decades. It might be up to $25 by now. Hundred-dollar department store bike, $8,000 CF bike---doesn't matter.

I was surprised to see sneering comments about the looks of ILTB's utility bike. Yes, perhaps he should do as those commenters do and drive everywhere, reserving bike use for serious training rides. Those rides should be driven to, of course, since the roads nearer home tend to be annoyingly full of other drivers and thus unpalatable to a serious cyclist.

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Originally Posted by Trakhak View Post
I was surprised to see sneering comments about the looks of ILTB's utility bike. Yes, perhaps he should do as those commenters do and drive everywhere, reserving bike use for serious training rides. Those rides should be driven to, of course, since the roads nearer home tend to be annoyingly full of other drivers and thus unpalatable to a serious cyclist.
I wasn't surprised. A&S is not free of its share of enthusiasts proud of inflated ideas about the value and contribution to society of their precious gorgeous bikes and bicycling activities; sneering and snark is to be expected from such so-called self-centered "advocates."
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Originally Posted by Trakhak View Post
There are professional bike thieves in big cities and college towns in the U.S. who target expensive bikes, but the street value of almost any working bike stolen by a casual (i.e., opportunistic) thief is about $15, or was for many decades. It might be up to $25 by now. Hundred-dollar department store bike, $8,000 CF bike---doesn't matter.

I was surprised to see sneering comments about the looks of ILTB's utility bike. Yes, perhaps he should do as those commenters do and drive everywhere, reserving bike use for serious training rides. Those rides should be driven to, of course, since the roads nearer home tend to be annoyingly full of other drivers and thus unpalatable to a serious cyclist.
ILTB asks for those unflattering comparisons when he starts throwing around words like "paranoid" at people who don't think it's a good idea to adopt his lax security precautions. Obviously, if he is parking a relatively inexpensive bike in Burlington Iowa, it is not the same consideration one would put into locking your more expensive bike in Oakland, CA (or wherever). ILTB immediately launches into his character attacks, just casually throwing out insulting adjectives to whatever concern he doesn't happen to share.

I think you're mixing up cause and effect, btw. The reason that stolen bikes tend to be at the cheaper end of things is because there's a lot more of them, and people are probably less concerned with securing them.
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Originally Posted by I-Like-To-Bike View Post
I wasn't surprised. A&S is not free of its share of enthusiasts proud of inflated ideas about the value and contribution to society of their precious gorgeous bikes and bicycling activities; sneering and snark is to be expected from such so-called self-centered "advocates."

Are you even capable of not turning everything into this sort of personal attack?
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Why isnt it required to have a "good" bike rack out in front of all businesses? I would think it only makes sense with the wave of E-bike folks and thats only going to get worse.
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That doesn't make a lot of sense for a small storefront in a downtown area. A business that already has a sizeable parking lot, maybe, but the issue isn't really the rack itself, it's the piece of real estate it will have to sit on.

Places iike Sommerville, MA are converting some of the street parking to bike racks. This makes a lot of sense to me. You can fit a lot of bikes into a space that was formerly occupied by a single car.
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Originally Posted by Trakhak View Post
I was surprised to see sneering comments about the looks of ILTB's utility bike. Perhaps he should do as those commenters do and drive everywhere.
I'm not. Have you read his posts in this forum? No one trolls more. That bike is so appropriate.

btw, I live car free.
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I'm not. Have you read his posts in this forum? No one trolls more. That bike is so appropriate.

btw, I live car free.
Nothing unpleasant has ever happened to him on a bicycle. So nothing ever will. Or he's oblivious.
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Nothing unpleasant has ever happened to him on a bicycle. So nothing ever will. Or he's oblivious.
Probably doesn't ride a lot. But who would want to ride that bike?

Burlington, IA population = 23,713
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The obnoxiousness is strong among some so-called bicycling advocates and may answer the question asked by the OP,
"Why isn't it required to have a "good" bike rack out in front of all businesses?"
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Originally Posted by livedarklions View Post
Places iike Sommerville, MA are converting some of the street parking to bike racks. This makes a lot of sense to me. You can fit a lot of bikes into a space that was formerly occupied by a single car.
Now this is actually a pretty good idea. The downtown shopping district in my town I think would benefit from something along the lines of converting a couple of car spots each block to a bike parking area. A much better solution to every business downtown being required to have a "good" bike rack.
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Originally Posted by I-Like-To-Bike View Post
The obnoxiousness is strong among some so-called bicycling advocates and may answer the question asked by the OP,
"Why isn't it required to have a "good" bike rack out in front of all businesses?"

You're repeating yourself and it's a stupid assertion. Do you have anything constructive to add to this conversation?

Pretty sure most business owners haven't actually had any interactions with bicycling advocates, so-called or otherwise. I go into stores and restaurants all the time that would have no practical place to put a bike rack. "Requiring" them to do the impossible is a pretty tough policy sell.
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You're repeating yourself and it's a stupid assertion. Do you have anything constructive to add to this conversation?

Pretty sure most business owners haven't actually had any interactions with bicycling advocates, so-called or otherwise. I go into stores and restaurants all the time that would have no practical place to put a bike rack. "Requiring" them to do the impossible is a pretty tough policy sell.
hm, what kind of store or group or stores isnít adjacent to a public way? presumably thereís a street, so thereís frontage on the street with either a sidewalk or a setback or a parking lot?

in any case - i agree that itís bad policy to go around retroactively requiring businesses to do things. that isnít how itís done for zoning related issues. you require it for new construction, remodels, change of use, additions, etc. that plus the city or country doing it when they maintain roads and sidewalks would result in pretty good coverage in 10-20 years.
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hm, what kind of store or group or stores isnít adjacent to a public way? presumably thereís a street, so thereís frontage on the street with either a sidewalk or a setback or a parking lot?

in any case - i agree that itís bad policy to go around retroactively requiring businesses to do things. that isnít how itís done for zoning related issues. you require it for new construction, remodels, change of use, additions, etc. that plus the city or country doing it when they maintain roads and sidewalks would result in pretty good coverage in 10-20 years.

So in your typical Main St. set up, you often have small store front after store front exiting directly on the sidewalk. These sidewalks are generally (usually") not wide enough to accommodate a useable bike rack and pedestrian traffic especially while maintaining disabled people's access. There wouldn't seem to be a case for every one of those storefronts to have some sort of bike rack in front of them, and I also think that there's a whole lot of liability and construction costs that the store owner would need to incur to put up this dubious benefit. I also don't think that a lot of these store owners actually have the rights to erect structures on those sidewalks, so would they be given that automatically along with the mandate to do so?
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Already having a parking lot is a somewhat different situation--I am responding to the "all businesses" aspect of this question. .
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So in your typical Main St. set up, you often have small store front after store front exiting directly on the sidewalk. These sidewalks are generally (usually") not wide enough to accommodate a useable bike rack and pedestrian traffic especially while maintaining disabled people's access. There wouldn't seem to be a case for every one of those storefronts to have some sort of bike rack in front of them, and I also think that there's a whole lot of liability and construction costs that the store owner would need to incur to put up this dubious benefit. I also don't think that a lot of these store owners actually have the rights to erect structures on those sidewalks, so would they be given that automatically along with the mandate to do so?
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Already having a parking lot is a somewhat different situation--I am responding to the "all businesses" aspect of this question. .
hmmmm. iím not aware of many ďmain streetĒ type sidewalks in north america that are less than 8 feet wide. typically 10 to 12. otherwise even the curb ramp for a driveway cuts into the accessible path, and thereís no room for trees, utility boxes, even space to stand while you feed a parking meter. as i mentioned above the ďstandardĒ design for a relatively narrow sidewalk is a 4-5í accessible path adjacent to property lines and doors, and then a 3-5í band adjacent to the curb for trees, parking meters, curb ramps, and bike racks. the bikes go parallel to the accessible path, two to a fixture, fixtures spaced every 6-8í or alternating with trees and curb ramps.

of course there are conditions where itís narrower than that, but itís the exception, not the rule.

i still agree with you that you canít retroactively require everyone to do this. as to your question about construction in the public way, yes, property owners have the right and often requirement to construct improvements in the public way with the appropriate permit. virtually all cities in north america allow and require this.
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hmmmm. iím not aware of many ďmain streetĒ type sidewalks in north america that are less than 8 feet wide. typically 10 to 12. otherwise even the curb ramp for a driveway cuts into the accessible path, and thereís no room for trees, utility boxes, even space to stand while you feed a parking meter. as i mentioned above the ďstandardĒ design for a relatively narrow sidewalk is a 4-5í accessible path adjacent to property lines and doors, and then a 3-5í band adjacent to the curb for trees, parking meters, curb ramps, and bike racks. the bikes go parallel to the accessible path, two to a fixture, fixtures spaced every 6-8í or alternating with trees and curb ramps.

of course there are conditions where itís narrower than that, but itís the exception, not the rule.

i still agree with you that you canít retroactively require everyone to do this. as to your question about construction in the public way, yes, property owners have the right and often requirement to construct improvements in the public way with the appropriate permit. virtually all cities in north america allow and require this.

Strikes me that the municipality would be in a better position to place things like this on the sidewalk and/or street in some sort of rational manner. Having small bike racks every 6-8 feet makes little sense to me, and actually would obstruct a portion of the sidewalk systematically to no particular good end. Divorcing this function from the individual store owners allows a more sensible approach as it lifts the necessity of putting a rack somewhere just because it happens to be in front of a storefront.
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Strikes me that the municipality would be in a better position to place things like this on the sidewalk and/or street in some sort of rational manner. Having small bike racks every 6-8 feet makes little sense to me, and actually would obstruct a portion of the sidewalk systematically to no particular good end. Divorcing this function from the individual store owners allows a more sensible approach as it lifts the necessity of putting a rack somewhere just because it happens to be in front of a storefront.
not sure what youíre saying here - agreed that the city can and should do them and organize them, but the best and most common practice is indeed to put them in the street furnishing zone, intermittently with trees, meters, benches, etc. theyíre dirt cheap, highly visible from both the street and the interior of businesses, small, flexible, secure, etc. they donít obstruct the sidewalk because theyíre parallel to the circulation zone, in the street furnishing zone.

racks which park multiple bikes wheel in take much more space and are harder to get a secure lock to the frame.


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