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Old 10-24-23, 03:40 PM
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Originally Posted by Rick
There is absolutely no excuse for this kind of accident. It is 100% preventable. As long as we expect this and other kinds of accidents to happen we as a society are condoning these bad actions.
Your premise appears to be that all "accidents" are preventable bad actions, and this "accident" is just another example that "we as a society" should expect because "we condone these bad actions."

What exactly are you advocating "we" do about this?
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Originally Posted by AndreyT
Strange discussion. Some people seem to be detached from reality.

This is USA. In USA your life is worth as much as you have yourself insured it for, and not a penny more. You insure yourself and then you go do whatever you want: ride a bicycle on a road, skydive, climb the face of El Capitan etc. That's the short and the long of it. Incidents like that have been handed over for resolution to insurance companies very long time ago. Nobody else will investigate it. Nobody will present anything to the DA. (LOL! "DA"! This instantly reminded me of that "Leads? They Got Us Working in Shifts!" moment from "Big Lebowski")

Keep that in mind, then decide whether you can afford it. That trucking company did not care to secure their load because they can afford not to care. The same applies to you. That's all there is to it.
Very puzzling perspective. If true, then why does the US lead the world in litigation? it's not because people insure themselves. It's because people sue trucking companies and their equivalents and the counter party's insurance pays.

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Originally Posted by I-Like-To-Bike
Your premise appears to be that all "accidents" are preventable bad actions, and this "accident" is just another example that "we as a society" should expect because "we condone these bad actions."

What exactly are you advocating "we" do about this?
Because according to people knowledgable in such things, all "accidents" are preventable.
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Very puzzling perspective. If true, then why does the US lead the world in litigation? it's not because people insure themselves. It's because people sue trucking companies and their equivalents and the counter party's insurance pays.
I saw a video a couple of years ago from the Netherlands. It was about a young man losing control of his pickup truck and pinning several children riding their bicycles against the far side of a bridge retaining wall. They took his truck from him and forced him to take a 6 month long training course so they were assured he might be capable of actually driving on their roads. The city leaders and the people who plan and design roads then attempted to design the road so this was not going to or be less likely to happen. They are actually more concerned about saving lives through education and design of their roads. We base our laws on blame instead of responsibility and solving problems for all road users.
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In theory virtually all accidents are preventable. In reality, stuff happens.

Some accidents could easily have been avoided with just a modicum of care. We can work on getting better with that sort of error. But human beings are too intrinsically flawed to come close to preventing all accidents.

In this case I don't know enough about the chain of events leading up to the accident to know if it could readily have been prevented. The driver or those loading the rig may have been careless or there may have been unforeseen equipment failures.
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Originally Posted by Rick
I saw a video a couple of years ago from the Netherlands. It was about a young man losing control of his pickup truck and pinning several children riding their bicycles against the far side of a bridge retaining wall. They took his truck from him and forced him to take a 6 month long training course so they were assured he might be capable of actually driving on their roads. The city leaders and the people who plan and design roads then attempted to design the road so this was not going to or be less likely to happen. They are actually more concerned about saving lives through education and design of their roads. We base our laws on blame instead of responsibility and solving problems for all road users.
You didn't understand the point of my post, I guess.
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Not commenting about responsibility because I have no idea of the specifics. However every once in a while I hear news like this that reminds me that life is a lottery, and sometimes your number comes up.
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You didn't understand the point of my post, I guess.
I can give you many more examples were the american attitude of oh well do do happens is not the norm in most of the world. The almighty car is god to these fools and it never dawns on them how wrong that is until it is one of their own who is taken out. It is a severe attitude problem in this country.
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Originally Posted by Rick
I can give you many more examples were the american attitude of oh well do do happens is not the norm in most of the world. The almighty car is god to these fools and it never dawns on them how wrong that is until it is one of their own who is taken out. It is a severe attitude problem in this country.
Yes you could, but you'd be repeating the same simple slogans that make you jolly, rather than actually engaging in a conversation.
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Originally Posted by FBinNY
Not commenting about responsibility because I have no idea of the specifics. However every once in a while I hear news like this that reminds me that life is a lottery, and sometimes your number comes up.
We each get just one time when this particular number comes up. But yeah, vehicular accident, lightning strike, incurable cancer, fading away with dementia. We each get one route out of here and for the most part, we don't get to choose when or how. (and those who do choose....well that's a different thread)
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Originally Posted by MinnMan
Possible, but we don't know this for certain. We don't know when the load shifted, we don't know how the mirrors were adjusted, we don't know how attentive the driver was to his right hand side view mirror.....

Unlikely that a DA would think they could make such a charge stick. Sadly, drivers get acquitted even when the circumstances and evidence are much stronger.
If this was a log truck, aka class A driver, he is legally responsible for load securment. Truck drivers check their mirrors on average every 11 seconds. Mirror adjustment is also the drivers responsibility. No excuses here . That said, being local, log truck drivers tend to be a. holes.
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Originally Posted by base2
Yes in the trucking world this is called a "preventable accident".
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Originally Posted by Bleu
...log truck drivers tend to be a. holes.
Not to mention 10" of play in the steering wheel on those janky trucks.
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Originally Posted by MinnMan
Another argument for not wearing earbuds on the road. We need all of our senses as much as possible.
DITTO!!! Some people, just don't get it. Even my own family members are oblivious to dangers they pose to other by their driving behavior. My elderly mother will write notes on a sticky pad while driving.
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Originally Posted by JoeyBike
Man, I guess when it's your time it's just your time.

I have a friend in Rawlins, Wyoming. Bike racer. It is legal to ride on the Interstate highways there (was legal in 1989 when I was touring through there). The cyclist and his buddy were riding on the shoulder of I-80 when a flatbed semi passed them with a load strapped down with metal bands. Unknown to the driver, one of the bands had come lose and was flopping onto the truck's load, then off over the shoulder, then back again in a cycle of a few seconds each way. The band just happened to go over their heads when the truck passed them at full highway speeds. A couple of seconds either way and they would likely been cut in half. Wasn't their time apparently. They both use mirrors now.

Anyway.....There are...
Wow, you'd have to do a lot of travelling to get much racing done out of Rawlins!!!
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Originally Posted by LesterOfPuppets
Wow, you'd have to do a lot of travelling to get much racing done out of Rawlins!!!
I know he did Pikes Peak a few times. He showed me the race videos.

The winds were so crazy there I would never leave the house. I was about 15 miles East of Rawlins resting under I-80 and eating a snack before heading directly into the wind (fought a fierce cross wind all morning). A pickup truck exited the Interstate and parked under the bridge near me with a fully loaded touring bike in the bed. Passenger got out and dragged his bike from the truck bed, thanked the driver, then headed towards me. I asked him if he was hurt or broken down (I carry all sorts of tools and some parts). He replied "Nah, the wind was killing me." I told him to get the Hell away from me.
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Originally Posted by Rick
Two dead people should trigger an immediate tox screen of the driver and any logs. I seriously doubt that this will happen. We have state attorneys that are insurance brokers.



Weather or not it is incompetence or apizing the insurance companies there is plenty of it to go around.
Federal Motor Carrier Safety regs require post accident drug and alcohol testing for all fatal accidents regardless of whether a citation is issued. So its highly likely the driver was tested.
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Federal Motor Carrier Safety regs require post collision drug and alcohol testing for all fatal crashes regardless of whether a citation is issued. So its highly likely the driver was tested.
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