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Old 04-21-24, 10:34 PM
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Originally Posted by Duragrouch
I'm usually on the road, but if I see a large truck or bus coming from behind and there is sidewalk available, I dive onto the sidewalk. In the videos above, the bridge crossing is short, and, it appears there is more broken pavement on the right edge of the roadway than the sidewalk which appears smoother. Also, you have continuous sidewalk over the bridge, not uneven or interrupted by driveways, another vote. But if you stay on the road and the lanes are not wide enough, take the lane. Also, try biking with another person, it commands more respect and implies witness. Also, a camera symbol and "camera" on the back of a vest can help.

There was a recent story about a service where you can call if you get pulled over by the police, with a lawyer in full two-way contact. The moment the police realized they were on camera, they got more polite. "You called a lawyer for a ticket?" "Yep." Cameras help, especially if they are known.
Wow, you really believe all this? Do you really see the o.p. 'diving' onto that sidewalk if they need to bail? I don't. And I don't guess they would have much luck trying to line up total strangers interested in being ride along witnesses for their added security. I could tear your other points to pieces too, but I'll leave it here.
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Old 04-22-24, 12:08 AM
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Originally Posted by Leisesturm
Wow, you really believe all this? Do you really see the o.p. 'diving' onto that sidewalk if they need to bail? I don't. And I don't guess they would have much luck trying to line up total strangers interested in being ride along witnesses for their added security. I could tear your other points to pieces too, but I'll leave it here.
Let me rephrase. Go on the sidewalk from the beginning. I realize with a high curb that they cannot easily go on the sidewalk midpoint. I was biking in an area where curb cutouts to the sidewalk were frequent.
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Old 04-22-24, 08:28 AM
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Don't hesitate and take the lane, riding closer to the center line than to the curb. Traffic has two lanes; force them to pass you on the other lane, don't let them think they have room in your lane or to straddle the lanes.
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Old 04-22-24, 09:26 AM
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Originally Posted by hayden52
Don't hesitate and take the lane, riding closer to the center line than to the curb. Traffic has two lanes; force them to pass you on the other lane, don't let them think they have room in your lane or to straddle the lanes.
Traffic won't have two lanes anymore if he is controlling one of them. I don't know of the road or bridge that isn't flowing 4x the amount of traffic it was built for 25 years ago. He has the sidewalk as an option, traffic does not. Can he legally take the full lane? Maybe. Probably. I don't know his States laws. Should he? IMO, no. Not even if legal. He has to ride that route day after day. Doesn't take long to get a reputation as the 'road hogging asshat'. I KNOW that my commute goes easier because on the couple squeeze points on my route I make it easy for cars to pass me IN MY LANE. Makes them happier, and more inclined to do the pass in a respectable way.

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Commuting it was always doing whatever was safest to get where I was going. If I couldn't keep with traffic speeds then that sidewalk would be my choice. I feel for you. I commuted areas that didn't have bikes in mind. I like the idea of holding back and letting the surge of traffic go if you stay on the road.
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In this instance I'd normally take the lane maintaining a position such that a car cannot pass without a lane change. I do this so a drive won't think he can squeeze by when there another car to his left.

However, if traffic is heavy on a longish stretch, and I feel I'm causing a backup, I'll move over once the car behind has slowed to my speed, allowing him to squeeze by. I'll maintain that right edge position as long as drivers are slowing and passing at not much over my speed.

In considering my approach, understand that I'm from NYC and very used to close passes, but not fast close passes.
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(above) +1. Good approach.
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Personally, I'd grab the tag # from the videos and send them to law enforcement. Those passes were in clear violation of NH laws.
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Originally Posted by Bald Paul
Personally, I'd grab the tag # from the videos and send them to law enforcement. Those passes were in clear violation of NH laws.
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Not commenting on reporting, but it does nothing to address the OPs concerns, which are more about personal safety here and now, than punishing problem drivers after the fact.
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Not commenting on reporting, but it does nothing to address the OPs concerns, which are more about personal safety here and now, than punishing problem drivers after the fact.
True, but his options have already been pointed out by others. A) - take the full lane, or B) use the sidewalk. Sometimes, if a driver gets a visit from law enforcement reminding them of their road responsibilities towards cyclists, it just may prevent a repeat of the behavior towards him and other cyclists in the future.
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I found that if I left the same time everyday, took the lane riding hard when I needed to but got out of the way when I could, my fellow commuters saw that I respected them and they would, generally, respect me. Hostility seemed to increase if I missed my usual time. Past tense because I'm now retired but I would still use the same approach.
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Originally Posted by Bald Paul
True, but his options have already been pointed out by others. A) - take the full lane, or B) use the sidewalk. Sometimes, if a driver gets a visit from law enforcement reminding them of their road responsibilities towards cyclists, it just may prevent a repeat of the behavior towards him and other cyclists in the future.
True, but OTOH, where I live, I'm more likely to win at Powerball, than get any official response to a reported violation.

Based on that. I don't buy lottery tickets, nor do I report motorists.
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Originally Posted by L134
I found that if I left the same time everyday, took the lane riding hard when I needed to but got out of the way when I could, my fellow commuters saw that I respected them and they would, generally, respect me. Hostility seemed to increase if I missed my usual time. Past tense because I'm now retired but I would still use the same approach.
I have similar experience. On my regular morning route, it was like living in a small town, 7 miles long and 50 yards wide. The UPS driver, police, bus driver, various residents, and many drivers knew me and always treated me like a neighbor. Thus was so true that if I changed the route for a week or so, they'd miss me and ask if I was OK when I came back.

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Originally Posted by FBinNY
True, but OTOH, where I live, I'm more likely to win at Powerball, than get any official response to a reported violation.

Based on that. I don't buy lottery tickets, nor do I report motorists.
Based on the "violation" being reported is presumably because the bicyclist was outraged at being passed closer than he was comfortable with and the lack of any contact or obvious appearance of any danger to the bicyclist from the passing shown in the video, and the proximity of the adjacent empty sidewalk, a bicyclist is more likely to win at Powerball, even if he doesn't buy tickets, than get a positive official response from anyone for making a gratuitous "report" of traffic violations based on this video evidence.
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Hey, you don't hit me then it was a fair pass.
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Originally Posted by FBinNY
True, but OTOH, where I live, I'm more likely to win at Powerball, than get any official response to a reported violation.

Based on that. I don't buy lottery tickets, nor do I report motorists.
I have sent video of a truck "rolling coal" on me to the local sheriff. Didn't think much of it, until about 2 weeks later when a deputy showed up at my door to return the USB drive the video was on. He said the operator had been issued a citation and given a warning not to do it again.
Still haven't won the lottery, though.
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Originally Posted by Bald Paul
I have sent video of a truck "rolling coal" on me to the local sheriff. Didn't think much of it, until about 2 weeks later when a deputy showed up at my door to return the USB drive the video was on. He said the operator had been issued a citation and given a warning not to do it again.
Still haven't won the lottery, though.
This is why I pointedly said, "where I live".
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Originally Posted by Bald Paul
I have sent video of a truck "rolling coal" on me to the local sheriff. Didn't think much of it, until about 2 weeks later when a deputy showed up at my door to return the USB drive the video was on. He said the operator had been issued a citation and given a warning not to do it again.
Still haven't won the lottery, though.
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This is why I pointedly said, "where I live".
And why I pointed out the probability of any official positive action being taken from reporting the video of the "violation" recorded on the OP's video, not some other entirely different video of an entirely different scenario.
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Hey, you don't hit me then it was a fair pass.
It wasn't even close.
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Originally Posted by Amitoj
Thanks for all your advice and inputs. Here is what I am thinking. First and foremost, leave 15 minutes earlier. Then, just before the bridge, there is a traffic light. If I am the first one at the light and it is red, as was the case when I shot the video, take the sidewalk as there will likely be several cars behind me. Thankfully I have to take a right turn at the end of the bridge and road widens quite a lot, so it should be relatively risk free. If I am the last one to clear the light, then I have some buffer between the cars behind me so I can take the full lane. If I am in the middle of the traffic then there is not too much gap between me and the car in front, so I can still take the full lane. And when I take the full lane, I should be more towards the left half of the lane.

On the way back, I am not in the bridge traffic for this long, so I can take the lane and also the traffic is usually crawling in the evenings.
Just caught up with the thread; how are your new strategies working out?
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Old 07-01-24, 06:37 AM
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Originally Posted by Korina
Just caught up with the thread; how are your new strategies working out?
Sorry about the radio silence. I have not had much chance to commute by bike, until now. And it seems fate has taken care of my dilemma on its own. There is bridge repair being done on this side of the bridge, so it is a single lane traffic only on the bridge!

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Personally, I'd grab the tag # from the videos and send them to law enforcement. Those passes were in clear violation of NH laws.
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I did exactly that and made a report at the Hudson PD. I have not heard anything back from them.

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