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Old 05-28-24, 09:33 PM
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Pedestrian Injured on Local MUP - Cyclist Blamed

On the local news tonight there was a segment where a cyclist rang a bell to warn a ped he was going to overtake. The ped moved, and was immediately struck by another cyclist coming from the opposite direction. What was missing from the story was any witness, just a partial inconclusive view from a doorbell cam. My assumption is that the ped moved into the left, not looking, into the path of the oncoming cyclist. But again there were no witnesses, other than the woman in the hospital with a concussion and brain bleed and the impacting cyclist - not interviewed,

What gets me is the automatic assumption that the cyclist was at fault with no conclusive proof. In my experience, I have seen many a pedestrian make a U-turn on a MUP without looking behind first. This is not intended to be a thread to bash dogs, and kids, and unthinking people, but the media. They interviewed people who live along the trail and there was universal condemnation of speeding cyclists. One man, boldly lied saying he was tired of cyclists blowing through at 30 MPH. I have ridden that trail several times and have never seen anyone nearly approaching that speed or motorized cycles other than grandma and grandpa tooling along slowly on their e-bikes. The guy was flat out lying and the media chose to include it.

And it is possible the cyclist was at fault by it was never conclusively proven.

Just ranting.
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Old 05-28-24, 09:48 PM
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Originally Posted by rsbob

Just ranting.
That’s what A&S is for.
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It's 2024. If you haven't seen that the media bashes whoever is "not" the popular group or group they want to push then I have nothing to say. Over the last couple of years it's been easy to see who and what the media is for, and if you don't agree with them don't view their works.
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Peds have right of way, so it kinda IS the biker's fault.
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Originally Posted by CrimsonEclipse
Peds have right of way, so it kinda IS the biker's fault.
This. Here in the states for all intents and purposes of right of way bicycles are considered vehicles and pedestrians always get right of way. It doesn't matter if a pedestrian walks into the middle of the road against a light or not even at a crosswalk, if you hit them you are at fault.

Criminality differs case to case though
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That's one of the main reasons I spend so little time on MUPs. We cyclists have very few rights and will nearly always lose in court. Pedestrians can be like electrons with completely unpredictable patterns.
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Old 05-28-24, 11:31 PM
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That's one of the main reasons I spend so little time on MUPs. We cyclists have very few rights and will nearly always lose in court. Pedestrians can be like electrons with completely unpredictable patterns.
Accident on MUP, you are financially liable.

Accident on the road, dead.
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I never pass any pedestrian - in either direction - at a speed in exess of "jogging" pace. In other words, very slowly
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Originally Posted by slow rollin
It's 2024. If you haven't seen that the media bashes whoever is "not" the popular group or group they want to push then I have nothing to say. Over the last couple of years it's been easy to see who and what the media is for, and if you don't agree with them don't view their works.
I'll take it farther, based on firsthand experience with media.

From what I've seen, nearly every story in media, whether crash, fire, crime, or even a routine meeting or event, is fitted to a "narrative" by an editor, often with assistance of the "journalist". So the predetermined slant of the story against bicyclists isn't surprising, just as every story in Streetsblog has a non-motorist as its protagonist.

I had a New York Times editor who took a long interview and condensed it into a short quote that said almost exactly opposite of my viewpoint. His response: to tell me their role as they see it is to "craft a compelling narrative" - apparently to both push a preferred viewpoint and to engage readers who think similarly.

Another incident: over a decade ago I was interviewed for half an hour by ABC's White House correspondent to get technical background on a story, and the next day on Good Morning America he declared that a national standards revision was the fault of sign material manufacturers trying to sell more product, in spite of the information he'd received from me and others showing otherwise.
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Really? Cyclists always bear the responsibility in situations like this, we absolutely cannot hit pedestrians. Similarly, cars have to watch out for us, and cannot hit us even if we do something stupid.

In your example, the oncoming cyclist should have seen the cyclist and pedestrian and start reacting accordingly. Cyclists are 100% responsible for not hitting pedestrians, and even have to assume they are drunk/clueless/technologied and dodge preemptively or slow down.

peds have the right of way. Doesn’t matter if they are acting clueless.
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Originally Posted by Camilo
I never pass any pedestrian - in either direction - at a speed in exess of "jogging" pace. In other words, very slowly
Originally Posted by LarrySellerz
In your example, the oncoming cyclist should have seen the cyclist and pedestrian and start reacting accordingly. Cyclists are 100% responsible for not hitting pedestrians,
This pedestrian, bicycle A and bicycle B scenario has been brought up here before and this is pretty much how it sums up. Both cyclists should have seen the pedestrian and been able to see the potential for this. A MUP is a shared space and cyclists should slow down.
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Originally Posted by LarrySellerz
Really? Cyclists always bear the responsibility in situations like this, we absolutely cannot hit pedestrians. Similarly, cars have to watch out for us, and cannot hit us even if we do something stupid.

In your example, the oncoming cyclist should have seen the cyclist and pedestrian and start reacting accordingly. Cyclists are 100% responsible for not hitting pedestrians, and even have to assume they are drunk/clueless/technologied and dodge preemptively or slow down.

peds have the right of way. Doesn’t matter if they are acting clueless.
$1,000 says you didn’t graduate from law school.

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$1,000 says you didn’t graduate from law school..
Ad hominem.
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Ad hominem.
Res ipsa loquitur.
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$1,000 says you didn’t graduate from law school..
I object. This is immaterial, irrelevant and incompetent. I don't know what that means, but I hear it on Perry Mason all the time.
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Cyclist Injured on Local Road --- Driver Blamed

If I taught a course in logic, I'd ask my students to speculate on the reasoning behind the differing responses to the current thread versus one with the title above.
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Pedestrians can be like electrons with completely unpredictable patterns.
I like that and shall in future think of such pedestrians as having Brownian motion.
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If only someone had repeatedly warned us about the dangers of MUPs.
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Originally Posted by CrimsonEclipse
Peds have right of way, so it kinda IS the biker's fault.
This is asinine.

If I jump in front of a speeding car, it is my fault. If I am on an MUP and step in front of an oncoming bike, it is my fault.

Fromt he OP (the accuracy of which is unknown) this pedestrian heard a bell, and deliberately moved-----in an unsafe direction, but the pedestrian chose which way to go and chose to step in front of oncoming traffic.

As a pedestrian, cyclist, or driver, I have to accept the same rights and responsibilities as any other road user. Almost every state (the forty-odd I have researched) have similar language. That means Not behaving in a dangerous fashion---like stepping in front of oncoming traffic without warning and such that the oncoming walker/rider/driver cannot safely avoid you.

Everyone on the road/MUP has a responsibility to be aware of his/her surroundings and to operate safely for himself and others .... The idea that pedestrians can do no wrong and everyone else is automatically to blame is not correct.
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if only someone had repeatedly warned us about the dangers of mups.
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Originally Posted by CrimsonEclipse
Peds have right of way, so it kinda IS the biker's fault.
Yeah, If a cyclist hits a ped on a MUP they caused it, If you approach a ped, and an incoming cyclist is coming the other way, and they are going to converge, you need to assume that one or both may do something silly, and "drive" defensivelly. A MUP is not an open road, you can't ride like it, specially during busy times.
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