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A semantic issue... I read the article and it said the requirement was that the registration tag must be visible from the rear. There is nothing about a license plate other than the OPs title for the link. The only thing they are trying to change is to specify where the sticker is stuck. Big deal! If just for consistency, it should be specified in the law.
And the governmental control arguments are simply paranoid... If "they" wanted more control of cyclists, "they" would just tell the cops in the morning briefings to crack down on cyclists....
If the objective was to harrass you, an officer of the law would simply say the same thing many of you are saying:
Stickers? We don't need no stinking stickers!
And then put your butt in the back seat of the squad car on some trumped up charge. In fact a few of them probably do if you are the wrong color in the wrong neighborhood.
The police are not out to get you for riding a bike, or they would have had you by now.
And the governmental control arguments are simply paranoid... If "they" wanted more control of cyclists, "they" would just tell the cops in the morning briefings to crack down on cyclists....
If the objective was to harrass you, an officer of the law would simply say the same thing many of you are saying:
Stickers? We don't need no stinking stickers!
And then put your butt in the back seat of the squad car on some trumped up charge. In fact a few of them probably do if you are the wrong color in the wrong neighborhood.
The police are not out to get you for riding a bike, or they would have had you by now.
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Originally Posted by pseudobrit
Bingo.
Hard part's getting people to accept the idea of paying the local gov't to own a bike.
After that, fees are easy to ratchet up. "It's only $1" so easily becomes "it's only $5."
Hard part's getting people to accept the idea of paying the local gov't to own a bike.
After that, fees are easy to ratchet up. "It's only $1" so easily becomes "it's only $5."
Someone mentioned a city with a few hundred bikes... Even at $10, I can't imagine a profit being made. You would have to have 6,000 bicycles at $10 each in order to cover salary and benefits for one new entry level employee...
And all this worry about $1, in a forum where people discuss spending 3 months salary on a bike.
Nobody is trying to get rich, or even balance their budget by charging $1 or even $5 for bicycle registration.
Is it a good idea? I don't know,. but the worry about money just isn't there.
However, I do have a question... Can I buy one of these stickers in the mail? It is hard to find anything for $1, and I want one for my bike!
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Originally Posted by trick
My town is looking to require license plates for bikes
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Another attempt at making laws that appear to do something without actually accomplishing anything.
Out of curiosity, I wonder what would be the fine for failing to pay $1 to register a bike? The only way a fine of this nature is applied is in conjunction with other situations. Cities lose money on processing fees for stupid laws like this.
Out of curiosity, I wonder what would be the fine for failing to pay $1 to register a bike? The only way a fine of this nature is applied is in conjunction with other situations. Cities lose money on processing fees for stupid laws like this.
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I think this is just absolutely stupid. Since these aren't a state-mandated and state-issued form of bicycle identification, someone from outside the city won't register their bikes. If the police stop someone without a registration and no ID to say "I'm not from this city" then what? Haul them into the police station for not having ID?
Most bicycle traffic violations are:
Rolling a Stop Sign (non-busy intersections)
Running a Stop Sign (4-way stops)
Running a Red Light (After a full stop, when clear)
Speeding (25-30 in a 25 zone, or 10+ through a parking lot)
Riding on Sidewalk (Where applicable)
Aside from possible the sidewalk, none of these are really "dangerous" offenses. All of these, personal responsibility
How does your city plan to have the registration notices affixed to the bicycle? To the seatpost? What about bikes where the rear reflector/light is attached there? What about Travel Bags that are there?
On my bike I have a small bag attached to my seat post and saddle adjuster to hold my bike lock. Directly below it is my rear blinker.
I honestly think that the goal of this requirement is so the cops can stop people for being the wrong color in a certain neighborhood more than recovering stolen bikes.
What would they do if a bike WAS stolen and the tag was removed? Would they then check it against the serial numbers stamped on the bike itself? If so, what's the point in the extra tag?
What makes someone riding a bike look "suspicious of theft"? What if the potential theif was not from the city and had ID to prove it? Would they still demand to see the serial number on the bike or would they let it go since he doesn't legally need the tag? If they let him go, then what if the potential thief did in fact steal the bike?
Personally, I think that bicycle registration should consist of the following being on file with a copy given to the registrant:
Fight this man, no good can come from it.
Most bicycle traffic violations are:
Rolling a Stop Sign (non-busy intersections)
Running a Stop Sign (4-way stops)
Running a Red Light (After a full stop, when clear)
Speeding (25-30 in a 25 zone, or 10+ through a parking lot)
Riding on Sidewalk (Where applicable)
Aside from possible the sidewalk, none of these are really "dangerous" offenses. All of these, personal responsibility
How does your city plan to have the registration notices affixed to the bicycle? To the seatpost? What about bikes where the rear reflector/light is attached there? What about Travel Bags that are there?
On my bike I have a small bag attached to my seat post and saddle adjuster to hold my bike lock. Directly below it is my rear blinker.
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Morrissey said requiring registration tags to be visible from the rear could give officers a "talking point" if they believe a bike might have been stolen.
What would they do if a bike WAS stolen and the tag was removed? Would they then check it against the serial numbers stamped on the bike itself? If so, what's the point in the extra tag?
What makes someone riding a bike look "suspicious of theft"? What if the potential theif was not from the city and had ID to prove it? Would they still demand to see the serial number on the bike or would they let it go since he doesn't legally need the tag? If they let him go, then what if the potential thief did in fact steal the bike?
Personally, I think that bicycle registration should consist of the following being on file with a copy given to the registrant:
Fight this man, no good can come from it.
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Originally Posted by I-Like-To-Bike
What is a "lowjack"?
1. hidden GPS
2. hidden communications system, ala modem which sends GPS data on activation
See: https://www.lojack.com/ for auto and motorcycle details.
Don't know if will ever work for bicycles:
Requirements:
1. active battery
2. location big enough to hide GPS sending unit. Only place in bicycle would be inside downtube.
3. costs about $600
Recovery rate with lo-jack is 50%. Better than zip, but still can be defeated. Can get insurance up to $2,500 for replacement value.
Just curious if any other company has tried this approach.
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Originally Posted by trick
My town is looking to require license plates for bikes. I didn't even know registration was mandatory... it had always been presented as a rather optional thing. But now they want visible registration on all bikes.
I'm worried about this. Anyone else had experiences with this sort of thing???
I'm worried about this. Anyone else had experiences with this sort of thing???
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Originally Posted by I-Like-To-Bike
What is a "lowjack"?
Thanks for the answer. I suppose those cyclists afraid of being tracked down by evil ones in black helicopters for failure to comply with mandatory registration should avoid activation of their lowjack or at least wear aluminum foil liner inside their foam dome.
What is a "lowjack"?
Originally Posted by HiYoSilver
Basically:
1. hidden GPS
2. hidden communications system, ala modem which sends GPS data on activation
1. hidden GPS
2. hidden communications system, ala modem which sends GPS data on activation
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I must be stupid... I don't get it. I RTFA and it seems to me a cop can still pull a bike over and issue a ticket- regardless of whether or not it is registered, since it is the RIDER that is tagged. Bikers, not bikes, pay fines. Seems they should require bikers to carry a state ID with them.
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I think it should be voluntary, not mandatory. And the money paid for the regsitration should go into a fund to improve bicycle facilities.
Here is an example of what is happening in my community, nothing to do with bikes but it is voluntary. On Jan. 1st of this year there a brand new 5 acre off leash dog park opened. There is a voluntary registration of $10.00 per year for those that want to help support the park. Those that want to pay the $10.00 when the license their dog at City Hall, which is mandatory in Sioux City BTW, & the $10.00 goes to the dog park the regular registration goes into the city public works fund to help with city projects. The Parks & Rec. Dept. is part of the public works dept. So the mandatory registration helps support the city parks, etc.
This is how I think it should be in Fairfield, voluntary, not mandatory. As far as having the tags visible from ther rear. Well it might help the cops locate a stolen bike, if the thief does not remove it or the original owner reports it stolen.
Here is an example of what is happening in my community, nothing to do with bikes but it is voluntary. On Jan. 1st of this year there a brand new 5 acre off leash dog park opened. There is a voluntary registration of $10.00 per year for those that want to help support the park. Those that want to pay the $10.00 when the license their dog at City Hall, which is mandatory in Sioux City BTW, & the $10.00 goes to the dog park the regular registration goes into the city public works fund to help with city projects. The Parks & Rec. Dept. is part of the public works dept. So the mandatory registration helps support the city parks, etc.
This is how I think it should be in Fairfield, voluntary, not mandatory. As far as having the tags visible from ther rear. Well it might help the cops locate a stolen bike, if the thief does not remove it or the original owner reports it stolen.
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Originally Posted by Gus Riley
In this new world of computers, a database is not difficult to set up or maintain. In fact, if I were tasked to do so I would seriously look at the existing programs used for autos to also be utilized for bicycles...meaning no new software and no additional persons inputing information.
There's no way they'll make any money out of it at that level. To charge a higher fee in an attempt to recoup this outlay will only reduce their revenue base further.
As I've already said, I'll be surprised if this actually happens.
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Here is a news story about Washington DC ending its mandatory bicycle registration program due to its negative effect on police-public relations. I think the report prepared by the DC Office of Police Complaints is particularly interesting. They find that (1) poorly communicated local bike regulations that are inconsistent with surrounding communities promote public ignorance of the law, (2) impounding offenders' bicycles is an inappropriately severe punishment for the offense, and (3) selective enforcement and pretextual stops create a public relations problem for the police.
-Steve Goodridge
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From League of American Bicyclists News:
DC Bike Registration to be Eliminated
The Washington, D.C. Police Complaints Board submitted a recommendation to the city's mayor and police chief recommending the elimination of DC's mandatory bike registration law. A number of complaints received by the Board suggest that MPD officers have enforced mandatory bicycle registration in Washington, DC, sporadically and improperly, raising questions about possible bias in these stops. The Board referenced the League's position paper in the report.
Link to the August 4th DC Office of Police Complaints Report:
https://www.policecomplaints.dc.gov/o...y_rec_bike.pdf
(Tiny URL version of this link: https://tinyurl.com/bf8d3 )
-Steve Goodridge
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From League of American Bicyclists News:
DC Bike Registration to be Eliminated
The Washington, D.C. Police Complaints Board submitted a recommendation to the city's mayor and police chief recommending the elimination of DC's mandatory bike registration law. A number of complaints received by the Board suggest that MPD officers have enforced mandatory bicycle registration in Washington, DC, sporadically and improperly, raising questions about possible bias in these stops. The Board referenced the League's position paper in the report.
Link to the August 4th DC Office of Police Complaints Report:
https://www.policecomplaints.dc.gov/o...y_rec_bike.pdf
(Tiny URL version of this link: https://tinyurl.com/bf8d3 )
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Originally Posted by sggoodri
Here is a news story about Washington DC ending its mandatory bicycle registration program due to its negative effect on police-public relations. I think the report prepared by the DC Office of Police Complaints is particularly interesting. They find that (1) poorly communicated local bike regulations that are inconsistent with surrounding communities promote public ignorance of the law, (2) impounding offenders' bicycles is an inappropriately severe punishment for the offense, and (3) selective enforcement and pretextual stops create a public relations problem for the police.
-Steve Goodridge
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From League of American Bicyclists News:
DC Bike Registration to be Eliminated
The Washington, D.C. Police Complaints Board submitted a recommendation to the city's mayor and police chief recommending the elimination of DC's mandatory bike registration law. A number of complaints received by the Board suggest that MPD officers have enforced mandatory bicycle registration in Washington, DC, sporadically and improperly, raising questions about possible bias in these stops. The Board referenced the League's position paper in the report.
Link to the August 4th DC Office of Police Complaints Report:
https://www.policecomplaints.dc.gov/o...y_rec_bike.pdf
(Tiny URL version of this link: https://tinyurl.com/bf8d3 )
-Steve Goodridge
_____________________________________________________________________
From League of American Bicyclists News:
DC Bike Registration to be Eliminated
The Washington, D.C. Police Complaints Board submitted a recommendation to the city's mayor and police chief recommending the elimination of DC's mandatory bike registration law. A number of complaints received by the Board suggest that MPD officers have enforced mandatory bicycle registration in Washington, DC, sporadically and improperly, raising questions about possible bias in these stops. The Board referenced the League's position paper in the report.
Link to the August 4th DC Office of Police Complaints Report:
https://www.policecomplaints.dc.gov/o...y_rec_bike.pdf
(Tiny URL version of this link: https://tinyurl.com/bf8d3 )
I still think the second most persuasive argument is that every town could require a license to be displayed on the rear, which means that a cyclist riding through a few suburbs would have to display multiple plates.
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Originally Posted by Daily Commute
This is an EXTREMELY useful post. Trick should print it out, and make copies for the decionmakers in his town. They will find it far more persuasive than anything we cyclists say.
https://www.acluofnorthcarolina.org/0...ionreport.html
RIGHT TO TRAVEL
TOWN OF MORRISVILLE'S TAXI CAB ORDINANCE
Several taxi cab drivers who are licensed in the towns of Cary and Raleigh, but not Morrisville, contacted the ACLU-NC office for help when they were ticketed for failing to register as an operator of a taxi in the Town of Morrisville pursuant to Town of Morrisville Ordinance § 01-47. Under the terms of the ordinance any taxi cab parked or traveling on the roads of Morrisville (within the corporate limit) is subject to the provisions of the ordinance. There are also a series of provisions in the ordinance which place very heavy, if not impossibly heavy burdens on taxi drivers. If every one of the over 1,600 towns in North Carolina could require taxis that merely drive through their town to submit to similar provisions it would be impossible for taxi drivers to comply. The drivers were ticketed merely for driving through the Town of Morrisville to pick up passengers who previously solicited the business from the company for which they work. The ACLU-NC Legal Foundation represented the drivers at Wake County district court. In August, a Wake County district court judge dismissed the charges against the drivers, holding that the ordinance was an unconstitutional infringement on their right to intrastate travel. In addition, the judge held that the statute violated state law which protects passengers rights to have access to taxi drivers of their choice. The State has appealed the decision to superior court.
Cooperating attorney F. Hill Allen with Seth H. Jaffe for the ACLU-NC Legal Foundation.
TOWN OF MORRISVILLE'S TAXI CAB ORDINANCE
Several taxi cab drivers who are licensed in the towns of Cary and Raleigh, but not Morrisville, contacted the ACLU-NC office for help when they were ticketed for failing to register as an operator of a taxi in the Town of Morrisville pursuant to Town of Morrisville Ordinance § 01-47. Under the terms of the ordinance any taxi cab parked or traveling on the roads of Morrisville (within the corporate limit) is subject to the provisions of the ordinance. There are also a series of provisions in the ordinance which place very heavy, if not impossibly heavy burdens on taxi drivers. If every one of the over 1,600 towns in North Carolina could require taxis that merely drive through their town to submit to similar provisions it would be impossible for taxi drivers to comply. The drivers were ticketed merely for driving through the Town of Morrisville to pick up passengers who previously solicited the business from the company for which they work. The ACLU-NC Legal Foundation represented the drivers at Wake County district court. In August, a Wake County district court judge dismissed the charges against the drivers, holding that the ordinance was an unconstitutional infringement on their right to intrastate travel. In addition, the judge held that the statute violated state law which protects passengers rights to have access to taxi drivers of their choice. The State has appealed the decision to superior court.
Cooperating attorney F. Hill Allen with Seth H. Jaffe for the ACLU-NC Legal Foundation.
The State subsequently appealed the decision to superior court and on August 18, 2003, the superior court dismissed the case.
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I'm not opposed to a "biker's license" but the state would first have to make it mandatory that all motorists renewing their driver's license pass a written exam about sharing the road.
I'm not hanging anything resembling a license plate from my bike. If a sticker was required, so be it. Once you get into that, the next thing is inspections and citations if your bike doesn't have reflectors.
That leads to further complications when the police want to see your biker's license and you try to point out that cycling shorts don't have pockets.
I'm not hanging anything resembling a license plate from my bike. If a sticker was required, so be it. Once you get into that, the next thing is inspections and citations if your bike doesn't have reflectors.
That leads to further complications when the police want to see your biker's license and you try to point out that cycling shorts don't have pockets.
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Originally Posted by Chris L
That would only be part of the cost. What about the cost of producing some kind of certificate to display on the bike to indicate it was actually registered? They'll need something sufficiently robust so as not to shrivel up in the first rain shower that someone rides through. What about the cost of enforcing the law to make sure that people actually do pay this "mandatory" registration?
There's no way they'll make any money out of it at that level. To charge a higher fee in an attempt to recoup this outlay will only reduce their revenue base further.
As I've already said, I'll be surprised if this actually happens.
There's no way they'll make any money out of it at that level. To charge a higher fee in an attempt to recoup this outlay will only reduce their revenue base further.
As I've already said, I'll be surprised if this actually happens.
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Originally Posted by chicharron
<<I think it should be voluntary, not mandatory.>>
Well, N.C., I see that you have mellowed your stance on mandatory laws regarding bicyclist since the Great Helmet Debate, eh?
Well, N.C., I see that you have mellowed your stance on mandatory laws regarding bicyclist since the Great Helmet Debate, eh?
Edit: It looks like I was wrong when I said that N_C surrendered gracefully.
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New bumper sticker:
The west wasn't won with a registered bike.
The west wasn't won with a registered bike.
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kinda intresting i mean if someone stole your bike and you reported it the person cant really take off the plate or he would get pulled over, then they would find it was your bike and if he kept it on they could run the plate to see it came back stolen you would get your bike... im not sure its a bad idea... but thats only if it started to show a increase of bike recoverys... maybe a year trial or something... also if it got people to follow the rules it would be a good idea i hate passing a wrong way rider when there is not much room in the BL
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English is my first language.. I have Dyslexia as a result my grammer sucks and so does my spelling I even use U sometimes for the word You.. When I read sometimes I half to read the line 3 times cause it didnt make sense do to stuff being mixed up..>>
No need to apologize nor explain yourself. I myself have mild Attention Defeceit Disorder. At times this affects my typing, or ability to concentrate or focus as well. good luck
English is my first language.. I have Dyslexia as a result my grammer sucks and so does my spelling I even use U sometimes for the word You.. When I read sometimes I half to read the line 3 times cause it didnt make sense do to stuff being mixed up..>>
No need to apologize nor explain yourself. I myself have mild Attention Defeceit Disorder. At times this affects my typing, or ability to concentrate or focus as well. good luck
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Originally Posted by chicharron
<<Disclaimer
English is my first language.. I have Dyslexia as a result my grammer sucks and so does my spelling I even use U sometimes for the word You.. When I read sometimes I half to read the line 3 times cause it didnt make sense do to stuff being mixed up..>>
No need to apologize nor explain yourself. I myself have mild Attention Defeceit Disorder. At times this affects my typing, or ability to concentrate or focus as well. good luck
English is my first language.. I have Dyslexia as a result my grammer sucks and so does my spelling I even use U sometimes for the word You.. When I read sometimes I half to read the line 3 times cause it didnt make sense do to stuff being mixed up..>>
No need to apologize nor explain yourself. I myself have mild Attention Defeceit Disorder. At times this affects my typing, or ability to concentrate or focus as well. good luck
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Madison, WI (pretty much a "bike friendly" kind of place) has a mandatory registration - $10.00 for a four year sticker.
https://www.ci.madison.wi.us/transp/Bicycle/bikereg.html
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https://www.ci.madison.wi.us/transp/Bicycle/bikereg.html
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My city instituted a mandatory registration law...I'll tell you why. Two words: Critical Mass. After the first (and only) Critical Mass in my town of Lancaster, PA the legislature passed the new law requiring people to register their bikes...it goes on unenforced...but if there is another Critical Mass in this town you can bet I'll be told (as a bike cop) to check for registrations and sieze all negligent cyclists bikes.
The law is there, plain and simple...just pay the buck and do it, it could save a headache in the future. I'm not saying it's right, but it IS the law.
EDIT: P.S. My police bike seems to be exempt from this law....ironic isn't it?
The law is there, plain and simple...just pay the buck and do it, it could save a headache in the future. I'm not saying it's right, but it IS the law.
EDIT: P.S. My police bike seems to be exempt from this law....ironic isn't it?
Last edited by myates1980; 08-20-05 at 08:04 AM.