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In the event it's somehow not against the law to ride against traffic in any given municipality, it's incredibly stupid. We as cyclists have a hard enough time getting drivers to acknowledge us and NOT kill us when we are riding the same direction and they should see us, let's not make it worse by riding at them from a direction that they shouldn't realistically be anticipating anything coming from. Never mind that all the traffic signs that we are meant to obey won't be facing us if we ride on the wrong side of the road, or the risks that we're subjecting other direction-conscious cyclists to when we would have to pass them.
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Here's a photo of a typical one-way street in Paris. Note the bike markings and arrow. (This isn't my street, it's my father-in-law's street, but our street is also one-way, and also allows "contre-sens" flow.
https://cimg2.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...7cf047f8c0.jpg One way Parisian street, with bike markings indicating permissible "contre-sens" flow. |
Originally Posted by MilhouseJ
(Post 23499932)
In the event it's somehow not against the law to ride against traffic in any given municipality, it's incredibly stupid. We as cyclists have a hard enough time getting drivers to acknowledge us and NOT kill us when we are riding the same direction and they should see us, let's not make it worse by riding at them from a direction that they shouldn't realistically be anticipating anything coming from. Never mind that all the traffic signs that we are meant to obey won't be facing us if we ride on the wrong side of the road, or the risks that we're subjecting other direction-conscious cyclists to when we would have to pass them.
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My opinion: in CT a bicycle is traffic. Ride with traffic because that's what you are.
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Originally Posted by xiaoman1
(Post 23496747)
Thanks for the response.....not having the time to list all of the different scenarios, I think you described most of them, but did not mention the weather/time of day etc etc.
What I have seen is outlined in the scenario you describe, to paraphrase: a legal right turn after stop, hit by cyclist approaching the drivers right, cyclist riding against flow of traffic BTW, would it make a difference if it was light controlled and driver was making a legal right turn and hit by the cyclist riding against traffic? Best, Ben I highly, highly recommend that you take a LAB Smart Cycling class. Seriously. https://bikeleague.org/ridesmart/ |
Originally Posted by RChung
(Post 23500036)
Here's a photo of a typical one-way street in Paris. Note the bike markings and arrow. (This isn't my street, it's my father-in-law's street, but our street is also one-way, and also allows "contre-sens" flow.
https://cimg2.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...7cf047f8c0.jpg One way Parisian street, with bike markings indicating permissible "contre-sens" flow. |
Originally Posted by PeteHski
(Post 23503379)
So effectively that is one-way road for cars, but two-way for bikes. The bikes flowing against the traffic are on the right like they would be on a two-way road. Bikes flowing with the traffic would also be on the right.
I wouldn't ride counter-flow where drivers don't expect to see it (like, in the countryside outside of Paris). My post is to say that riding against the flow is, like all things traffic-related, about expectations and protocols (sort of like protocols about the assignment of right-of-way, which is pretty arbitrary). |
Originally Posted by RChung
(Post 23500036)
Here's a photo of a typical one-way street in Paris. Note the bike markings and arrow. (This isn't my street, it's my father-in-law's street, but our street is also one-way, and also allows "contre-sens" flow.
https://cimg2.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...7cf047f8c0.jpg One way Parisian street, with bike markings indicating permissible "contre-sens" flow. |
Originally Posted by RChung
(Post 23503431)
I wouldn't ride counter-flow where drivers don't expect to see it (like, in the countryside outside of Paris). My post is to say that riding against the flow is, like all things traffic-related, about expectations and protocols (sort of like protocols about the assignment of right-of-way, which is pretty arbitrary). |
Originally Posted by Aubergine
(Post 23496673)
You should go *with* the flow of traffic.
There are many collision scenarios that would need to be looked at, My view is that cyclist vigilance (which is something we, as cyclists can affect) is the most important thing a cyclist can add to a traffic situation. Going with the flow of traffic is safer for (IMHO) good reasons. But those benefits are not sufficient to come close to preventing car/bike crashes. Is very high self-awareness enough of a cyclist’s countermeasure? I think it would be irrponsible to claim that. Be vigilant out there! It’s your life you could be saving! |
Originally Posted by Road Fan
(Post 23508085)
AND assiduously keep your head moving in 360 degrees:eek::twitchy::wtf: .....!!
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Always ride *with* traffic, walk *facing* traffic (if walking on the side of the road and not on a side walk).
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