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spclark 06-19-25 12:23 PM

I have more to relate on this but it'll have to wait 'till I have a full-size keyboard 'stead of my 'phone. Maybe later today....

Iride01 06-19-25 03:53 PM


Originally Posted by JW Fas (Post 23545691)
You said the following:



In other words, you claimed intent was a prerequisite as to whether law enforcement is permitted to do anything. Nothing about that expressed or implied their desire, because otherwise you would have worded it, "If there was no malicious intent, then the police won't want to investigate." (or something similar). You could have simply acknowledged that you were factually incorrect about your original statement, but now it's evolved into crafting a narrative about the cops' supposed willingness to investigate.

No. You illogically assumed that I was making that a prerequisite of the law. At best, I'd assume that what I wrote would convey that the cops won't be interested in investigating. Much less issue any warning or ticket.

Your presumption of their desire is also in direct conflict with what OP already said:

......

Does that sound like a police department which is unwilling to investigate? I don't think they would have 1) taken the report or 2) asked for more evidence if they were unwilling. Unless, of course, we're also to believe that police officers are all secret closet masochists who love paperwork.
So? Instead of getting into a argument with me, why not just state your opinion of what you think is needed to the OP? You should boil the gist of what I said to the OP as meaning that if the driver didn't mean him harm, he should just let this go as far as involving law enforcement. If he wants to see if this video can be use to help out cycling advocacy, then he should go for that.

I really have no desire to spend the time required to watch a video.

Paul Barnard 06-20-25 05:09 AM


Originally Posted by spclark (Post 23543012)
I was first at the red light before the vehicle came up behind me to my left.
There's no bike lane on this road.
I was stopped, left foot on pavement waiting for the light to change to green.

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What was your position within the lane?

spclark 06-20-25 06:33 AM


Originally Posted by Iride01 (Post 23545814)
You should boil the gist of what I said to the OP as meaning that if the driver didn't mean him harm, he should just let this go as far as involving law enforcement. If he wants to see if this video can be use to help out cycling advocacy, then he should go for that.

That was my sole intention.

Accidents happen without malice or intent. People get injured or killed when proper attentiveness is lacking.

In this instance the driver made a conscious choice to pass me; their intention was to make their right turn before I reached the driveway entrance ~ 50 yards ahead of where we'd both been waiting for the green light to proceed.

The video is 24 seconds long from when the light changed to when I passed the driveway. Had they slowed enough to allow me to pass the driveway first before they made their turn, it would have cost them little more than maybe ten seconds.


Originally Posted by Iride01 (Post 23545814)
I really have no desire to spend the time required to watch a video.

Why I didn't post the video when I opened this thread, and entirely your choice.


Originally Posted by Paul Barnard (Post 23546013)
What was your position within the lane?

Far to the right while waiting for the green light. I held the shoulder once I cleared the intersection, at which point the vehicle that had been behind me while at the red light chose to pass me on the left.

I received a call yesterday from the LPD officer who I'd communicated with last week.

He indicated that, as there's no forward facing video of this incident, there's no evidence to do anything more than what he chose to do, which was to call the vehicle's owner and remind them about watching for bicyclists.

That's enough for me, getting the vehicle owner's attention. Perhaps also creating a record of the vehicle's history should it become involved in a more serious event sometime in the future.

work4bike 06-20-25 06:56 AM

I've had very similar incidents where people would attempt to speed up and pass me only to slow way down (for reason of physics) just to make a right turn in front of me, maybe saving a few seconds. That's one reason why I take the lane when waiting at a stop light or stop sign or when entering a traffic circle.

This doesn't completely prevent all cases of people attempting to pass me to make a right turn, but it greatly reduces the number of these incidents. BTW, what determines if I'm in front of or behind a vehicle is just a matter of who gets there first, just like when I ride up to a light/stop sign in a car.


We need more bike emojis:)

:ride:

dynaryder 06-20-25 11:20 AM


Originally Posted by I-Like-To-Bike (Post 23544668)
Nor are you likely to find much support for a conclusion that the concept of running a rear facing camera while bicycling has (or will) provide many (or any) bicyclists "invaluable evidence" in beneficial settlement of their court cases, insurance claims or hit and run events.

Oh hai,guess what I remembered:
https://ggwash.org/view/31600/it-mus...ou-are-a-biker

Not a bike mounted camera,but it was the camera that got the rider out of a ticket and enabled him to sue.

I-Like-To-Bike 06-20-25 12:45 PM


Originally Posted by dynaryder (Post 23546195)

Not a bike mounted camera...

Enough said.

Leisesturm 06-23-25 07:58 PM


Originally Posted by I-Like-To-Bike (Post 23544668)
Seems you ignore that nobody else who responded to the OP could see any value (even curiosity) to viewing a rear view video that bore "witness" to the event that occurred in front of the OP.
Nor are you likely to find much support for a conclusion that the concept of running a rear facing camera while bicycling has (or will) provide many (or any) bicyclists "invaluable evidence" in beneficial settlement of their court cases, insurance claims or hit and run events.

I'm not even certain that the front view offered by many popular 'go pro' knock-off cameras captures much more than the wild tumblings of the rider's POV during the incident. What is needed is what was present in the linked clip. A birds eye, wide angle view taken by a neutral party. THAT is what the cager's lawyers are going to insist on when the outcome really matters! Giving you $2K to buy a new bike, not even worth the hours to contest. You 'won'. $1M to put your head back together ... you're going to need a whole lot more than the grainy footage from an affordable helmet cam to make your case. More to the point, the guilt ... fault if you will, is usually evident in such cases. No camera necessary. Might even hurt if it shows you could have been a bit more defensive about things. Which is often the case. But more and more and more intersections are being surveiled by wide angle cameras 24/7. Makes the case for carrying your own pretty weak.


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