The Face of Critical Mass
09-16-05, 09:23 PM
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Originally Posted by chroot
there sure are a lot of people without helmets. What a pathetic line of BS.
09-16-05, 09:40 PM
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Originally Posted by sabretech2001
nouveaux....jeez
Hurricane.....double jeez
This ongoing lunacy cannot possibly take that much of your time. Spend some of it using the spell checker.
and it's en masse, remember?
And the point you're refusing to get is this: if CM is really an advocacy group, and the CM ride is really about taking one's rightful place in traffic, you need to be an adult about it, which means wearing a helmet, and ragging on those who don't. I see bike helmets in thrift stores these days. You don't need to unload $90 on a Giro.
Hurricane.....double jeez
This ongoing lunacy cannot possibly take that much of your time. Spend some of it using the spell checker.
and it's en masse, remember?
And the point you're refusing to get is this: if CM is really an advocacy group, and the CM ride is really about taking one's rightful place in traffic, you need to be an adult about it, which means wearing a helmet, and ragging on those who don't. I see bike helmets in thrift stores these days. You don't need to unload $90 on a Giro.
09-16-05, 09:53 PM
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Originally Posted by ViciousCycle
Some of the safest bicycling I ever did was in a major city where no one wore helmets. Amsterdam. The cyclists weren't in a hurry, the drivers weren't in a hurry, and the pedestrians weren't in a hurry. Having traffic proceed leisurely at a sane, sensible pace is better for safety than any helmet. There are also those who argue that safety equipment may induce one to take greater risks. (This paradoxical effect was talked about in the book Why Things Bite Back. Mountain climbers who get more safety equipment are willing to take on more and more dangerous climbs, and so death rates/injury rates can actually go up as more safety features are added.)
09-16-05, 09:57 PM
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Originally Posted by dedhed
Amsterdam, they were probably all coming from the coffee shop and stoned, which would explain the pace.
09-17-05, 04:22 AM
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Originally Posted by I-Like-To-Bike
Spell Check Pedant AND a Helmet Nanny! Wearing a helmet is required for a rightful place in traffic? Ragging on others with your hang-ups is adult? Make that the Four Stooges of Advocacy!
Originally Posted by I-Like-To-Bike
Oh PUHLEEZE! Whaa, Whaa , Whaa. Should I give a dang about YOUR respect? Save it for the Three Stooges of VC Debate.
09-17-05, 05:11 AM
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Originally Posted by Daily Commute
Don't get into a ragging-on-adults battle with ILTB. He's too experienced.
Since you don't "give a dang" about any cyclist other than yourself, I don't expect you would care.
Since you don't "give a dang" about any cyclist other than yourself, I don't expect you would care.
You keep bringing up your irrational fears about enforcement of laws in areas with which you are totally clueless; laws or code unearthed in your zealous Internet foraging expeditions for obscure laws. I point out the absurdity. The result - "whaa, whaa, whaa. You're not nice to me. You're impolite; you've got nothing to say." Anything but answer the issue of your lack of knowledge about the issue as it affects the involved cyclists.
Don't assume that lack of respect for clueless legal advice/commentary from you and your ilk is a lack of respect for cyclists.
You have writen "stuff" that indicates that you don't see the difference between disabled people in wheelchairs gaining access to retail establishments and prima donna cyclists who won't allow a bicycle out of their sight when shopping.
Don't assume that lack of respect for obtuse commentary from you and your ilk is a lack of respect for cyclists.
Don't assume that because YOU and your ilk have an obsession with bike lane hysteria, you have earned any special criticism-free status as representatives of the cycling population.
You sir, are IMO, an "advocate" for a tiny band of "smartbutt guys" (who dominate this list BTW) on a campaign to misrepresent the concerns of the majority of cyclists, and obstruct any significant change in the current cycling environment.
09-17-05, 05:28 AM
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Originally Posted by I-Like-To-Bike
You have writen "stuff" that indicates that you don't see the difference between disabled people in wheelchairs gaining access to retail establishments and prima donna cyclists who won't allow a bicycle out of their sight when shopping.
Here's a representative post from that thread. I said that the inconvenience to others of someone pushing a bicycle in a store was similar to the inconvenience to others from baby strollers (not wheelchairs). I agreed that store owners had the absolute right to bar cyclists, and I said that cyclists should be polite and respectful when asking for a change in policy. Yeah, that was a horrible post.
I have also been very, very critical of cyclists who make analogies to Jim Crow or to Nazis. See here, here, here, and here, for example.
I don't mind criticism. That's par for the course. But until one post last night, you offered nothing constructive of your own. All you did was hurl insults at others from the peanut gallery. You didn't like cyclists who used the road. You didn't like cyclists who discussed riding technique. You didn't like cyclists who wanted to learn more about equipment. It's not clear you like anyone but yourself (and I'm not so sure about that).
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09-17-05, 06:03 AM
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Originally Posted by dedhed
Amsterdam, they were probably all coming from the coffee shop and stoned, which would explain the pace.
Thinking that all of Amsterdam is like its Red Light District is like thinking that all of America is like Las Vegas.
09-17-05, 08:04 AM
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Originally Posted by sabretech2001
nouveaux....jeez
Hurricane.....double jeez
This ongoing lunacy cannot possibly take that much of your time. Spend some of it using the spell checker.
and it's en masse, remember?
And the point you're refusing to get is this: if CM is really an advocacy group, and the CM ride is really about taking one's rightful place in traffic, you need to be an adult about it, which means wearing a helmet, and ragging on those who don't. I see bike helmets in thrift stores these days. You don't need to unload $90 on a Giro.
Hurricane.....double jeez
This ongoing lunacy cannot possibly take that much of your time. Spend some of it using the spell checker.
and it's en masse, remember?
And the point you're refusing to get is this: if CM is really an advocacy group, and the CM ride is really about taking one's rightful place in traffic, you need to be an adult about it, which means wearing a helmet, and ragging on those who don't. I see bike helmets in thrift stores these days. You don't need to unload $90 on a Giro.
09-17-05, 08:06 AM
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Originally Posted by james_swift
I bought a nice, new Giro on-sale at Performance for $24.
09-17-05, 08:18 AM
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Originally Posted by barenakedbiker
That's one month worth of bus fare for the poor, black, negro urban African-Americans who can't afford cars.
09-17-05, 08:31 AM
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Originally Posted by Daily Commute
That's one month bus fare for anyone. Wait, is $24 all you have to pay for bus fare in NYC? A monthly bus pass is close to $40 here in Columbus, Ohio.
