Chicago law requiring a DL for cyclists?
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Chicago law requiring a DL for cyclists?
While my relatives were visiting for Thanksgiving, my uncle told me that a law is being/has been passed in Chicago that all cyclists must have a valid drivers license. I find this absolutely unbelievable to the point where I told him he must have misunderstood the law. I mean, what about all the DUIcycles, homeless people, messengers, etc? Are we trying to completely immobilize poor people and penalize cyclists? Do you guys need proof of insurance and a valid IL registration on your bike at all times too? Sorry if this was brought up before, but it came as news to me.
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Originally Posted by seely
While my relatives were visiting for Thanksgiving, my uncle told me that a law is being/has been passed in Chicago that all cyclists must have a valid drivers license. I find this absolutely unbelievable to the point where I told him he must have misunderstood the law. I mean, what about all the DUIcycles, homeless people, messengers, etc? Are we trying to completely immobilize poor people and penalize cyclists? Do you guys need proof of insurance and a valid IL registration on your bike at all times too? Sorry if this was brought up before, but it came as news to me.
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So whaddya gonna do, have to take your 5yr old to get a learner's permit?
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No deal. Your 5 year old can not bike until the age of 16 at which time he or she can apply for a permit.
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Sorry. Kid's got to reach the age of consent, there's no biking under 18 because kids can't get sued!
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Originally Posted by seely
While my relatives were visiting for Thanksgiving, my uncle told me that a law is being/has been passed in Chicago that all cyclists must have a valid drivers license. I find this absolutely unbelievable to the point where I told him he must have misunderstood the law. I mean, what about all the DUIcycles, homeless people, messengers, etc? Are we trying to completely immobilize poor people and penalize cyclists? Do you guys need proof of insurance and a valid IL registration on your bike at all times too? Sorry if this was brought up before, but it came as news to me.
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Maybe it's the same in every state, and I've just never known about it, but when we moved to North Carolina, there was a guy in front of me in line at the DMV, and he wanted to get a motorcycle license. He was moving from another state where he already had a motorcycle license, so he was going to apply for one by endorsement. He was informed that he has to have a car driver's license before he can get a motorcycle driver's license. He told them he doesn't own a car, nor does he drive one or have an automobile license, so he was told that he would have to take the written test (NC requires all drivers do this, even if you already have a DL from another state.) and do the driving skills test to get his automobile license, so he could take the written test for the motorcycle license! He wasn't happy. Anyway, I wonder if this is what it's coming to in Chicago?
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Originally Posted by DynamicD74
Maybe it's the same in every state, and I've just never known about it, but when we moved to North Carolina, there was a guy in front of me in line at the DMV, and he wanted to get a motorcycle license. He was moving from another state where he already had a motorcycle license, so he was going to apply for one by endorsement. He was informed that he has to have a car driver's license before he can get a motorcycle driver's license. He told them he doesn't own a car, nor does he drive one or have an automobile license, so he was told that he would have to take the written test (NC requires all drivers do this, even if you already have a DL from another state.) and do the driving skills test to get his automobile license, so he could take the written test for the motorcycle license! He wasn't happy. Anyway, I wonder if this is what it's coming to in Chicago?
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Originally Posted by I-Like-To-Bike
I heard from a witch doctor that a DL is only required if the cyclist has too many blinkies.
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Could it be that under the law a person has to have some sort of state issued photo ID on them, even while riding bike? Motor vehicle or not?
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My Uncle upon arriving home claimed it was in the newspaper as having passed. I'm not making this up, and I don't know why he would. It sounds bizarre to me, but I have no reason not to believe him?
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My Uncle upon arriving home claimed it was in the newspaper as having passed. I'm not making this up, and I don't know why he would. It sounds bizarre to me, but I have no reason not to believe him?
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Originally Posted by N_C
Could it be that under the law a person has to have some sort of state issued photo ID on them, even while riding bike? Motor vehicle or not?
https://www.denverpost.com/news/ci_3253063
Welcome to ******* the 'Free.' I'm pretty sure it applies to just walking, as well...
Link from https://cycledog.blogspot.com/
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Originally Posted by chipcom
even politicians can't be that stupid.
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Originally Posted by seely
My Uncle upon arriving home claimed it was in the newspaper as having passed. I'm not making this up, and I don't know why he would. It sounds bizarre to me, but I have no reason not to believe him?
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Many towns have requirements that bicycles display local licenses/registrations. The rules are never enforced until some cyclist annoys a cop.
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Originally Posted by Daily Commute
Many towns have requirements that bicycles display local licenses/registrations. The rules are never enforced until some cyclist annoys a cop.
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Originally Posted by seely
My Uncle upon arriving home claimed it was in the newspaper as having passed. I'm not making this up, and I don't know why he would. It sounds bizarre to me, but I have no reason not to believe him?
I just do not place as much credence in uncle's reading ability and/or the BS detection ability of those who repeat or get worked up over tabloids headlines heard or read, "somewhere".
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Both Chicago and Illinois bike laws can be found here:
https://egov.cityofchicago.org/city/w...eEnumValue=127
I see nothing that mentions anything about a drivers license, or even registration for that matter. A Google search finds nothing as well.
https://egov.cityofchicago.org/city/w...eEnumValue=127
I see nothing that mentions anything about a drivers license, or even registration for that matter. A Google search finds nothing as well.
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Your uncle is confused, though many places in the States require you walk/ride about with some verifiable form of identification i.e. state-issued.
Those laws usually apply to everyone wherever they are outside of their home, even poor people. Messengers in the States almost all carry ID, often multiple forms(DL & company ID or local messenger license), in order to access any local, state or federal courthouses or other secured facility they need to complete a task for a client. God Itself doesn't get past the Federal Marshalls at a courthouse without valid state-issued ID since OKcity
Those laws usually apply to everyone wherever they are outside of their home, even poor people. Messengers in the States almost all carry ID, often multiple forms(DL & company ID or local messenger license), in order to access any local, state or federal courthouses or other secured facility they need to complete a task for a client. God Itself doesn't get past the Federal Marshalls at a courthouse without valid state-issued ID since OKcity
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Originally Posted by chipcom
Both Chicago and Illinois bike laws can be found here:
https://egov.cityofchicago.org/city/w...eEnumValue=127
I see nothing that mentions anything about a drivers license, or even registration for that matter. A Google search finds nothing as well.
https://egov.cityofchicago.org/city/w...eEnumValue=127
I see nothing that mentions anything about a drivers license, or even registration for that matter. A Google search finds nothing as well.
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Originally Posted by Dchiefransom
If it just passed, it might not be listed until it takes affect.
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If there was a proposal to require some sort of "license" to ride a bike in Chicago (or anywhere else) there would have been a great uproar about it long before it would have been passed.
Some minor details that nobody seems to know:
Who is required to have sucha a license?
Are non-residents required to have one?
What are the requirments to get one?
How much does it cost?
How long does it last?
What is the penalty for not having one?
If you have a license to drive a motor vehicle, do you also need a cycling license?
Where do you get one?
Is there a 'road test' required? A written test?
Do people who only ride on trails need one?
Does the City of Chicago have the authority to establish a license requirement for operating any vehicles on the public roadways? This may be a state responsibility.
All of these issues would have needed to be discussed and debated long before any ordinance requiring a license to ride a bike could be implemented. The fact that there has been zero discussion here from the Chicago cycling organizations is a pretty good indication that there has been no such ordinance passed.
Some minor details that nobody seems to know:
Who is required to have sucha a license?
Are non-residents required to have one?
What are the requirments to get one?
How much does it cost?
How long does it last?
What is the penalty for not having one?
If you have a license to drive a motor vehicle, do you also need a cycling license?
Where do you get one?
Is there a 'road test' required? A written test?
Do people who only ride on trails need one?
Does the City of Chicago have the authority to establish a license requirement for operating any vehicles on the public roadways? This may be a state responsibility.
All of these issues would have needed to be discussed and debated long before any ordinance requiring a license to ride a bike could be implemented. The fact that there has been zero discussion here from the Chicago cycling organizations is a pretty good indication that there has been no such ordinance passed.
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Originally Posted by Dchiefransom
If it just passed, it might not be listed until it takes affect.
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