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Do you go through red lights at T sections?

Old 02-22-06, 08:54 AM
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Do you go through red lights at T sections?

T-section is probably not a real term. By T-section (not an operation to remove teen-agers) I mean an intersection where there is a road joining on the left but not on the right. In this situation, you could continue straight through on the right and you would not be coming into conflict with any other vehicles.

It just seems to happen to me all the time that I'll be waiting at such a light and a biker will come up, glance around, and keep on going. You kind of feel silly waiting there. Sometimes i've considered putting one foot on the curb and "walking" the bike across the intersection. Or pulling up onto the sidewalk temporarily ... but that seems silly too.

So does everyone here wait at T-sections?
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Old 02-22-06, 09:21 AM
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I run any red light where going through will not affect traffic in any way.

I essentially completely disregard lights and concentrate on traffic flow. If I approach a red and its clear, I go through. If I approach a green and theres traffic, I never rely on the green and I assume that those who don't have the right of way will do somethong stupid or intentional and prepare a plan to avoid them.
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Old 02-22-06, 09:27 AM
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Sorry, since a bicycle is considered a motor vehicle in most states I obey ALL traffic laws regardless if anyone is around or not.

You're not someone special just because you are on a bike.

I am sure that those who run the red lights will be rather whiny if a car did the same while they were at an intersection.
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Old 02-22-06, 09:27 AM
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I do not run red lights under any circumstances. I've recently started doing right turns on red, although I am still opposed to them being allowed.

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Old 02-22-06, 09:32 AM
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I don't ever run red lights, regardless of the situation.
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Old 02-22-06, 09:34 AM
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Originally Posted by SilentShifter
I am sure that those who run the red lights will be rather whiny if a car did the same while they were at an intersection.
But that's the point. In this situation, even if the cars around you ran the light you would be outside the flow of traffic.
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That's not my point.

My life is more important than taking a chance through an intersection and getting hit, just because I don't want to wait a minute or two for my light to go green.
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Old 02-22-06, 09:44 AM
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I follow all stop lights, but ignore stop signs in residential districs if there are no other vehicles around.
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Old 02-22-06, 09:44 AM
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F*&% no, I'm not stupid.
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Old 02-22-06, 09:47 AM
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As I stated in my post, I never interfere with traffic when I run a red light. As far as the rest of traffic is concerned, I wasn't there.

Theres much to be said about the safety of running a red light (only when its clear)and getting pedaling before cars start moving. The likeliest time for a fall is the transition between being stationary and just getting moving. In Holland they recogize this and having two sets of traffic lights, one for cars and one for bikes. At a red light, the bikes get the green before the cars do so they will be moving before the cars start to move.

I ride safe and sometimes that means not slavishly following the rules.
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Old 02-22-06, 09:49 AM
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Originally Posted by PaulH
I do not run red lights under any circumstances. I've recently started doing right turns on red, although I am still opposed to them being allowed.

Paul
I'd love it if they were legal over here - makes the traffic flow so much better.
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Old 02-22-06, 09:53 AM
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I don't need a light to tell me when it's safe to cross the street.
Now if there's a police car I would usually stop. I've also been waved through reds by police while track standing at the light owhen there are no cars. I never get in the way of anyones flow regardless of mode...car, ped or bike. I feel much safer being ahead of the cars when the light changes.
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Old 02-22-06, 10:04 AM
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How about if, at that T-intersection, you are in a bike lane?

No traffic from the cars making a left on a green light from the other street will be crossing in your path, they are not even allowed in the bike lane and if they did cross into the bike lane, they would be violating traffic law.

Would that be legal? Would that be prudent?

(just for the record, up here in BC the law states all cyclists riding in a bike lane must observe all the rules of the road that apply to the motorists in the adjacent vehicle lane, however a bicycle can pass traffic on the right if the bicycle is in a bike lane - something that, without the bike lane, would be illegal)

I have a couple of these on my commute and I always go through them. I've asked about the legalities and had conflicting opinions. I see it as, if there's no possibility for conflict (I'm not impeding anyone) I'll go through. After all, aren't bike lanes supposed to separate bikes from traffic anyway? If bike lanes are paid for with separate money from roads, how is it we have to follow the rules of a road next to the lane and has no conflict with the lane, particularily when the passing on the right rule is changed when a bike lane is being used?

I would stop if there was a cross walk, or an intersection where cars could cross my path (the bikelane).
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Old 02-22-06, 10:14 AM
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I usually obey the light, though if I am feeling particularly annoyed and the lights are working against me, I will run a T-section across the top of the 'T'. This is assuming that there is a bike lane and the bike lane line runs through the intersection (a common configuration here). I would not do this if there was no bike lane or if the bike lane line disappeared through the intersection.
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Don't you guys care about pedestrians and other cyclists?

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No I do not run the light. I've been pulled over for running lights on a bike.
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Old 02-22-06, 10:27 AM
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Originally Posted by SilentShifter
You're not someone special just because you are on a bike.

I am sure that those who run the red lights will be rather whiny if a car did the same while they were at an intersection.
Don't you mean that you -Silent Shifter - are not someone special? And that you - Silent Shifter - would be become whiney? Don't extrapolate your views on to others.
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Originally Posted by Brian Ratliff
.. I will run a T-section across the top of the 'T'. This is assuming that there is a bike lane and the bike lane line runs through the intersection (a common configuration here).
...any idea if that is a legal move in Oregon?
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It looks like its running nearly 50/50 in this forum. Yet, now that I think about it, I don't think I've ever seen another biker waiting at this kind of intersection. Are people in the forum just more law-abiding than the average guy on the street, or what?
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I figured out a while ago that motorists are more likely to respect cyclist's rights on the road if cyclists play by the same rules as motorists. That's why I stopped running red lights and stop signs.
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I don't really run red lights. The only exceptions I've ever made are that I'll do a slow-n-go if I'm turning right at the light and nobody is coming, or if I'm at one of those lights that is tripped by having your car placed in a certain spot on the road and there are no cars around to trip the light. I've dismounted and walked across a crosswalk or against traffic if I was in a hurry, but otherwise I obey the rules of the road.
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Originally Posted by markf
I figured out a while ago that motorists are more likely to respect cyclist's rights on the road if cyclists play by the same rules as motorists.
HOW did you figure that out?
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Originally Posted by MarkS
Are people in the forum just more law-abiding than the average guy on the street, or what?
I'd vote for "or what?"
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