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03-01-06, 09:28 PM
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What do you think of this?
What do you think of this white line? Is it evil? Is it benign? Does it have anything to do with bicycle advocacy?
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Originally Posted by sbhikes
What do you think of this white line? Is it evil? Is it benign? Does it have anything to do with bicycle advocacy?
03-01-06, 10:57 PM
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That little innocent white line happens to be the reason thousands of cyclists are hit by drivers everyday who happen to be blind in their right eye and can see only objects directly in front of them. What's more car tires have a tendency to shift knives, tacks, chainsaws, toxic waste, and oil over that innocent looking little line to sabatoge cyclists everywhere! I am so offended! Moderator!!!! Moderator!!!! 
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Is that all it takes? Just a simple white line in the road prevents litter. I can't believe it, but the photo...
03-02-06, 12:47 AM
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It looks like a road shoulder in a residential neighborhood with a 25 mph speed limit. Looks like a fairly dangerous place to ride, except for people that like moving to the left to avoid parked cars and dodging cars pulling out of drive ways.
03-02-06, 01:06 AM
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Is this bait or chum?
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That line, or one of its kin, seems to be following me everywhere I ride.
Just because I'm paranoid doesn't mean there couldn't be pine needles up ahead making that line even more dangerous.
Just because I'm paranoid doesn't mean there couldn't be pine needles up ahead making that line even more dangerous.
03-02-06, 02:02 AM
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Originally Posted by sbhikes
What do you think of this white line? ...Does it have anything to do with bicycle advocacy?
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Looks like the one in my town. Pittsburgh only has one bike lane and it runs along most of the length of a 6 mile residentail street. Plenty of line of sight for driveways. Not evil. Not useful for commuting. Likely does not make motorists think ill of bicyclists, since there probably is never much of a traffic load.
Main difference that I can see is that the one in Pittsburgh has "Bike Lane" painted at irregular intervals and a few signs. Without that, how can you even tell that it is a bike lane vs a parking lane.
Main difference that I can see is that the one in Pittsburgh has "Bike Lane" painted at irregular intervals and a few signs. Without that, how can you even tell that it is a bike lane vs a parking lane.
03-02-06, 02:48 AM
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Originally Posted by sbhikes
What do you think of this white line?
03-02-06, 08:22 AM
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Originally Posted by sbhikes
What do you think of this white line? Is it evil? Is it benign? Does it have anything to do with bicycle advocacy?
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03-02-06, 08:24 AM
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Originally Posted by Bekologist
That line, or one of its kin, seems to be following me everywhere I ride.
Now I know where I get that occasional feeling from...
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03-02-06, 08:38 AM
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Not much if its supposed to be a bike lane. Its OK the first 100 feet. But any biker who felt obligated to ride to the right of the line would be in the door zone of the car in the top right of the picture. If a biker has to leave a bike lane to be safe, why have a bike lane at all? This kind of poor design gets worse as SUVs get bigger. BTW, I'm not opposed to all bike lanes (yet), but ones on 25 MPH roads that put the biker right next to doors -- what's the point?
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03-02-06, 08:42 AM
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Originally Posted by Dogbait
Is this bait or chum?
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03-02-06, 09:11 AM
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Your line and my line probably meet up and comiserate on how to throw riders unprepared for their roadway nuance.
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Originally Posted by Bekologist
Your line and my line probably meet up and comiserate on how to throw riders unprepared for their roadway nuance.
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My line would not put you in the door zone. It would put you underneath a parked car--if you stayed to the right of it.
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Originally Posted by sbhikes
My line would not put you in the door zone. It would put you underneath a parked car--if you stayed to the right of it.
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It's just a parking lane indicator. You're better be left of the line if you don't want to be doored. I would think bikers would cross the line many times during a ride.
Now all you need is a bumper sticker dispenser box, like the dog poop bag dispensers, so you can just grab a "dangerous driver" sticker to slap on the windowshield of those those who get out of their cars without looking back and those who park across the line.
Now all you need is a bumper sticker dispenser box, like the dog poop bag dispensers, so you can just grab a "dangerous driver" sticker to slap on the windowshield of those those who get out of their cars without looking back and those who park across the line.
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Originally Posted by MarkS
If you have to leave a bike lane in order to be safe, what's the point of a bike lane?
In other words, since cyclists often have to leave all bike lanes in order to be safe or for many other valid reasons, what's the point of any bike lane? Because most cyclists don't know enough about traffic cycling to recognize all the times they should leave bike lanes in order to be safe?
But Univega and others are right. The stripe in Diane's picture simply demarcates a parking lane and has nothing to do with cycling per se.
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Looks like a shoulder line to me. I'd certainly ride left from it, except for expressways here, where I'm supposed to ride right from the shoulder line.
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Originally Posted by Helmet Head
In other words, since cyclists often have to leave all bike lanes in order to be safe or for many other valid reasons, what's the point of any bike lane? Because most cyclists don't know enough about traffic cycling to recognize all the times they should leave bike lanes in order to be safe?
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Average times I have to switch lanes car commuting in traffic due to debris or potholes - once.
on bike average speed 18.7 mph.
Hmmmmmm.
That being said none of the bike lanes I use allow parking to the right of them. Although if they did that would clean the bike lane wouldn't it?
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