View Poll Results: Should I insist on my partner wearing a helmet?
Yes, you have a responsibility to junior riders.
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No, if he wants to kill himself, it's his problem.
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Cycling partner with no helmet
05-10-06, 04:09 PM
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Originally Posted by Cyclaholic
Choosing to not ride with him is different to the op's option of demanding that he wear a helmet.
After all, this is a free country. He is free to wear a helmet or not. And I am free to choose not to ride with him if he doesn't. What did you think I meant when I said "insisting?" Certainly nothing physical, I hope.
05-10-06, 04:18 PM
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One question, is he carrying the weed? If so, shut up and ride.
If not ditch him.
If not ditch him.
05-10-06, 04:19 PM
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He's an adult and should be able to make his own choices.
You might also like to know,
Don't fool yourself, it's not a magic hat.
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Originally Posted by Brian Walker, one of the leading experts on the mechanics of helmets,
and whose company Head Protection Evaluations is the principal UK
test laboratory for helmets and head protection systems of all kinds
and whose company Head Protection Evaluations is the principal UK
test laboratory for helmets and head protection systems of all kinds
cycle helmets are principally concerned with protecting from falls from a cycle without any third party involvement and generally at lower speeds. They are intended for use by pedal cyclists on ordinary roads, particularily by young riders in the 5 years to 14 years age group, but which may also be used off road. It is not intended for high speed or long distance cycling or for riders taking part in competitive events. The fact is, cycle helmets are the most fragile type of safety helmet. In todays road traffic accidents, it's not unlikely for a helmet to be subjected to severity loads greater than it is designed to cope with.
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05-10-06, 04:22 PM
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Originally Posted by Totoro
I know it will be his brains that get splattered in an accident, not mine.
Helmets aren't magical hats of invulnerability. You can still get in an accident, and even get your brains splattered.
Although, your brain spray would have little chunks of polystyrene foam mixed in. So, from an artistic standpoint, there's always that advantage.
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05-10-06, 04:29 PM
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Originally Posted by closetbiker
He's an adult and should be able to make his own choices.
Don't fool yourself, it's not a magic hat.
Don't fool yourself, it's not a magic hat.
After all, how many times have I heard the "Helmets save lives" slogan.
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05-10-06, 04:43 PM
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Originally Posted by Totoro
I see fewer than 1 in 100 riders without helmets, so I am surprised by the comments posted here, to say the least.
After all, how many times have I heard the "Helmets save lives" slogan.
After all, how many times have I heard the "Helmets save lives" slogan.
05-10-06, 04:48 PM
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Originally Posted by Totoro
After all, how many times have I heard the "Helmets save lives" slogan.
05-10-06, 04:57 PM
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I did not respond to the poll because I did not like the wording. But, it is a legitimate concern.
First of all. Think such a person would not make way to our group, because they would not feel a part of the group. If they did. They might not be hounded constantly , but our feelings would be known sometime, during each and every ride.
We all might have to see his/her brains scattered about the asphalt. No thanks.
First of all. Think such a person would not make way to our group, because they would not feel a part of the group. If they did. They might not be hounded constantly , but our feelings would be known sometime, during each and every ride.
We all might have to see his/her brains scattered about the asphalt. No thanks.
05-10-06, 05:11 PM
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I might ask if he forgot it - once. After that, I'd ignore the issue. I will not however, move my motor vehicle unless everyone is seat belted. Again though, I am unconcerned with the restraint status of people in other vehicles. I do always wear a helmet when riding as well. Whether you do or not is only your concern.
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05-10-06, 06:00 PM
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Originally Posted by CB HI
Are you prepared to comply with whatever demands he has of you? If not, why not?
Maybe he thinks you should only wear bright yellow jerseys, shorts, shoes and full fingered gloves.
Maybe he thinks you should only wear bright yellow jerseys, shorts, shoes and full fingered gloves.
Originally Posted by Totoro
I think there is a distinct difference. Wearing a helmet is not simply a matter of fashion. And I have not demanded anything of him yet. Just wondering if I should.
05-10-06, 06:22 PM
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Originally Posted by Totoro
A friend who has recently taken up cycling wants to ride with me. However, last time he showed up without a helmet. I offered him one of mine, but he refused. I know it will be his brains that get splattered in an accident, not mine. So my question is, should I care and should I insist?
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05-10-06, 06:34 PM
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Originally Posted by closetbiker
If these guys were friendly to you and wanted to ride with you, but only if you didn't wear a helmet, would you go on that ride?
However, since this is evolving into an anti-bike helmet thread, let me address those pics one by one.
1. Taken before helmets came into general use
2. Publicity shot for advertising v. actual riding
3-5. Taken in a closed race in which there is no traffic to contend with and racers are traveling up hill at relatively low speed.
05-10-06, 06:39 PM
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Keep in mind, if you fall off a relatively short cliff with deep mud at the bottom and your helmet snags onto a mighty branch, you can and will HANG YOURSELF. So keep this in mind the next time you're wondering if a helmet will help you or kill you.
A helmet will not protect you in that situation. I repeat, the HELMET will NOT PROTECT YOU in that situation.
A helmet will not protect you in that situation. I repeat, the HELMET will NOT PROTECT YOU in that situation.
05-10-06, 06:39 PM
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Originally Posted by Totoro
3-5. Taken in a closed race in which there is no traffic to contend with and racers are traveling up hill at relatively low speed.
Using automobile traffic as a defense for wearing a helmet is not going to get you anywhere. Even the smallest car can easily crush a cyclist.
side note: I would make Greg take off those goofy sunglasses before I'd be seen in public with him.
05-10-06, 06:40 PM
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It's true. Most of us are libertarian at heart. To each his own. Usually.
Hate to be judgemental. But, some of our personal experiences-are just personal. I feel a helmet saved me from a much worse injury. One's personal experiences rules one's convictions. No one will convince another otherwise. Helmets should be a matter of personal choice. Just we don't want our friends and co-riders hurt unnecessarily before our very eyes.
Another point. The major tours now require helmets, I think. Won't see pros riding helmetless in the big tours anymore.
Hate to be judgemental. But, some of our personal experiences-are just personal. I feel a helmet saved me from a much worse injury. One's personal experiences rules one's convictions. No one will convince another otherwise. Helmets should be a matter of personal choice. Just we don't want our friends and co-riders hurt unnecessarily before our very eyes.
Another point. The major tours now require helmets, I think. Won't see pros riding helmetless in the big tours anymore.
05-10-06, 06:40 PM
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Originally Posted by Totoro
Nice pics.
However, since this is evolving into an anti-bike helmet thread, let me address those pics one by one.
1. Taken before helmets came into general use
2. Publicity shot for advertising v. actual riding
3-5. Taken in a closed race in which there is no traffic to contend with and racers are traveling up hill at relatively low speed.
However, since this is evolving into an anti-bike helmet thread, let me address those pics one by one.
1. Taken before helmets came into general use
2. Publicity shot for advertising v. actual riding
3-5. Taken in a closed race in which there is no traffic to contend with and racers are traveling up hill at relatively low speed.
not really, and the point is, if the partner was "cool" enough, would the requirement be dropped? I think so.
05-10-06, 06:49 PM
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Originally Posted by Totoro
I very rarely see riders without helmets, so I am surprised by the comments posted here, to say the least.
After all, how many times have I heard the "Helmets save lives" slogan.
After all, how many times have I heard the "Helmets save lives" slogan.
05-10-06, 06:59 PM
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I think what's ridiculous is a lot of people who say helmets don't really work all that well and don't believe in them also believe in washing their hands after taking a pi** or s**t, I mean, is that really necessary??
Whatever's on your hand after you wipe your ass is probably no dirtier than the computer keyboard at work anyway.
Whatever's on your hand after you wipe your ass is probably no dirtier than the computer keyboard at work anyway.
05-10-06, 07:02 PM
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Originally Posted by slvoid
I think what's ridiculous is a lot of people who say helmets don't really work all that well and don't believe in them also believe in washing their hands after taking a pi** or s**t, I mean, is that really necessary??
Whatever's on your hand after you wipe your ass is probably no dirtier than the computer keyboard at work anyway.
Whatever's on your hand after you wipe your ass is probably no dirtier than the computer keyboard at work anyway.
05-10-06, 07:06 PM
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Originally Posted by I-Like-To-Bike
Have you taken a poll on this subject with helmet skeptics? Ridiculous is right!
05-10-06, 07:09 PM
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Originally Posted by closetbiker
If these guys were friendly to you and wanted to ride with you, but only if you didn't wear a helmet, would you go on that ride?
Irecognise Armstrong but whose the rest of those guys? the third one down looks like Ghandi
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Originally Posted by Totoro
Wearing a helmet is not simply a matter of fashion.
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Originally Posted by Totoro
I very rarely see riders without helmets, so I am surprised by the comments posted here, to say the least.
After all, how many times have I heard the "Helmets save lives" slogan.
After all, how many times have I heard the "Helmets save lives" slogan.
You know, I don't diss folks for wearing helmets, why is it that you goodinskis can't return the courtesy when an adult makes a personal decision not to wear one?
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Originally Posted by Totoro
Nice pics.
However, since this is evolving into an anti-bike helmet thread, let me address those pics one by one.
1. Taken before helmets came into general use
2. Publicity shot for advertising v. actual riding
3-5. Taken in a closed race in which there is no traffic to contend with and racers are traveling up hill at relatively low speed.
However, since this is evolving into an anti-bike helmet thread, let me address those pics one by one.
1. Taken before helmets came into general use
2. Publicity shot for advertising v. actual riding
3-5. Taken in a closed race in which there is no traffic to contend with and racers are traveling up hill at relatively low speed.
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"Let us hope our weapons are never needed --but do not forget what the common people knew when they demanded the Bill of Rights: An armed citizenry is the first defense, the best defense, and the final defense against tyranny. If guns are outlawed, only the government will have guns. Only the police, the secret police, the military, the hired servants of our rulers. Only the government -- and a few outlaws. I intend to be among the outlaws" - Edward Abbey