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Old 06-22-06, 12:12 PM
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Civil disobedience and cycling

Civil disobedience and cycling

Where I ride I don't usually see much in the way of traffic so I am very lucky. The unusual way I ride is very safe for me and for everyone else. I ride facing the traffic and simply get out of everyone's way. By everyone I mean cyclists, cars, trucks, motorcycles, joggers, skateboarders, rollerbladders, pedestrians and what ever is coming at me. I go unnoticed on the roads because no one has to brake or maneuver around me. Whenever traffic passes, I simply give them the widest possible berth. No one could hit me even if they tried. I ride very slow or walk in very dangerous situations. The big wide tires allow me to go almost anywhere. The big motorcycle mirror mounted on the right side (yes right) really enhances my way of seeing all.

This way of riding, facing the traffic, was not my idea but my fathers. He was a brilliant man when it came to safety. Our entire house was wired with fire detectors 57 years ago. All our boats were enhanced with floatation to prevent them sinking. He must have been the first to get those studded winter tires 50 years ago. He invented safety mirrors for cars that were slightly convex. His most significant accomplishment was redesigning the safety shoe for electrical workers to prevent electrocution. If you have a white tag on your safety shoe with an orange Greek "omega" symbol, that's his shoe. It only took 15 years to convince people it was a smart idea.

The traffic laws work fairly well for the masses and not too many cyclists are being killed or injured but I prefer feeling entirely safe. I will never rely on others to see me. I will always want to see them and I will continue my civil disobedience and cycling.

A friend recently told me she came within inches of killing a cyclist on a dark rainy night along a fast moving narrow road. The cyclist was obeying the law of riding with his back to the traffic and it nearly cost him his life.

Cycling facing the traffic is slowly been implemented in different parts of the world. See this link........... https://archive.thisisoxfordshire.co..../14/69179.html
and this one... https://www.bikexprt.com/bikepol/faci...contraflow.htm




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Old 06-22-06, 12:16 PM
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It seems like we just had this discussion. Can you sing any other tunes?
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Old 06-22-06, 12:20 PM
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One sounds like a broken record.... especially with a forum name such as that.
I would sooner ride without pants than facing traffic.
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Old 06-22-06, 01:05 PM
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What difference does it make, as long as your eyes are looking back? (consistent use of a mirror) Your vertebra don't have eyes embedded in them !!! I see everyone coming up from behind me using my mirror.

Your friend would've had LESS reaction time if the cyclist had been coming at her. Those "inches to spare" would have become an impact!!!

God, why are you so stupid!?



Originally Posted by FaceThem
A friend recently told me she came within inches of killing a cyclist on a dark rainy night along a fast moving narrow road. The cyclist was obeying the law of riding with his back to the traffic and it nearly cost him his life.
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Old 06-22-06, 01:23 PM
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Yes. Let's do this again.

Come on. You know this couldn't possibly work for most people. Why do you keep bringing this here? (And how'd you get the account registered in 2005?)
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Old 06-22-06, 01:23 PM
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Riding against traffic scares this **** out of me. I've only ever done it once.

There are real reasons that it is illegal...
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Old 06-22-06, 01:30 PM
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https://cc.usu.edu/~bob/bike/where_to_ride.html

Where to Ride your Bike?

Where on the roadway should you ride your bike? Lots of people first guess "on the left, facing traffic" for a variety of reasons. But that first choice is wrong, for a variety of reasons:

According to the League of American Bicyclists' Bike Ed training program, riding on the left side is the leading single cause of car/bike collisions.

Riding with traffic puts you where other travelers are looking for conflicting traffic, instead of putting you where they aren't looking, especially at intersections, driveways and crosswalks.

The closing speed of traffic in your lane is the sum of both speeds if you are facing traffic, but is the difference of speeds if you are with traffic. That difference in closing speed may mean a big difference in reaction time for you and the motorist.

When a wrong way cyclist meets a right way cyclist, who swerves out into traffic or into the gutter? I hope you don't expect me to!

Less than 3% of car/bike collisions in daylight are due to overtaking errors (rear end collisions).

State Law requires bicyclists to ride on the right, not on the left. When a collision results from wrong way riding, you may be found at fault.
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Old 06-22-06, 01:46 PM
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This is great, so far the best alternative to VC I've seen yet. Can't the anti-VC crowd do better?
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Old 06-22-06, 01:54 PM
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Originally Posted by FaceThem
I ride facing the traffic and simply get out of everyone's way. By everyone I mean cyclists, cars, trucks, motorcycles, joggers, skateboarders, rollerbladders, pedestrians and what ever is coming at me.
Just where do you ride Or is it when. Surely never any bike path after 6 am. Not any set of streets I can think of that go anywhere unless you can somehow fly as any decent length ride goes through some section where there is nowhere to go except into traffic.

Also even if you do get out of the way you still put others in danger. Any cyclist who is riding legally who sees you coming sees someone whose actions he has no way of of predicting and is thus endangered.
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Old 06-22-06, 01:58 PM
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Then again, perhaps this idea has merit if you petition those bus, taxi, truck, motorcycle, etc. drivers that are also endangering themselves by following the law to also practice CD and ride on the other side. Once you reach a threshold of support, the path to your success will accerate I imagine. I mean, who would want to be the last 10% or 1% of folks still driving the right way as that would be really stupid and dangerous.

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Old 06-22-06, 02:06 PM
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At least those of us running HID lights could blind the drivers coming at us thus killing said cyclist and motorist even quicker.
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Come on. Riding against traffic is DANGEROUS! Whenever I see someone doing I yell at them "It's a good day to die." How stupid do you have to be to believe that riding against traffic is safe?
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Someone else on the board uses the phrase "you are riding on Darwin street" You are about to be culled from the herd.
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Sorry FaceThem, but you already trolled this last week.
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A 8th grader using Mom's computer to rile folks up. AND, we fall for it everytime. This thread will get fifty posts, for sure.
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Old 06-22-06, 08:56 PM
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The next wrongway cyclist I see, I'm going to beat unconscious with my frame pump, and then dump a bottle full of pisswarm gatorade on them to draw the ants.
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Thank you pops for the safety shoes. Smack him in the head for giving you the idea & allowing you to ride the wrong way in traffic. How freaking old are you anyway?

The used to teach that type of riding style in boyscouts. I do believe they stopped doing that.

There is a picture of what a bicycle looks like after an organization like OSHA gets ahold of it. Does anyone have a copy of it? I can only imagine that is what facethem's bike looks like.
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Hey if going 2 miles an hour and stopping every minute works for you, great. I preffer going 20mph, and not stop unless I have to.
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It's not always the motor vehicle operator's fault. I guess we won't have to wonder where the OP went when we no longer see his posts.
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I say we pm him, flooding him with links to & statistics about why cyclists should ride with the flow of traffic instead of against. Start with city, county & state laws & ordinances then the safety reasons why from as many differant organizations as possible. After that, if it is available the statistics on people killed because they made the mistake of riding against traffic, include with this if possible pictures of cyclists that were hit for making the mistake.
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Originally Posted by N_C
I say we pm him, flooding him with links to & statistics about why cyclists should ride with the flow of traffic instead of against. Start with city, county & state laws & ordinances then the safety reasons why from as many differant organizations as possible. After that, if it is available the statistics on people killed because they made the mistake of riding against traffic, include with this if possible pictures of cyclists that were hit for making the mistake.
No thanks. If he's a troll, you're only wasting time. If he really believes that, a flood of spam won't convince him. Do what you want, but it sounds like you'd be playing directly into his trollish plot.
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Originally Posted by FaceThem
Civil disobedience and cycling

A friend recently told me she came within inches of killing a cyclist on a dark rainy night along a fast moving narrow road. The cyclist was obeying the law of riding with his back to the traffic and it nearly cost him his life.
Obeying the law? Doesn't sound like it. Did the cyclist have the required reflectors or lights? Was your friend driving at a safe & proper speed for conditions (not necessarily the speed limit)?

Check out the fed's accident stats, so no one will accuse anyone of 'cherry-picking' data. Your way of riding has been shown to be about 2.5 times more dangerous than the legal methods most of us advocate and use.

Please post your funeral plans & perhaps we will send flowers.
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what's next? nude riding is safer than clothed riding? Helmetless riding is safer than wearing a helmet? Lightless night riding is safer because your eyes have full night vision?

Give us a break. You don't discuss, all you do is try to see how many responses you can get. It's time to either drop this subject, or move to different bike forum.
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Old 06-23-06, 08:03 AM
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Originally Posted by Dusk
https://cc.usu.edu/~bob/bike/where_to_ride.html

The closing speed of traffic in your lane is the sum of both speeds if you are facing traffic, but is the difference of speeds if you are with traffic. That difference in closing speed may mean a big difference in reaction time for you and the motorist.
He's an ignorant troll. He can't do math, but his daddy was a brilliant inventor.
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Great job on feeding the troll guys...
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