withak

You are honestly the first person I have ever seen spell it with no "h".

If we are using google as a grammar checker then 870 isn't a very high score:
Results 1 - 10 of about 139,000 for "nah not really". (0.27 seconds)
Results 1 - 10 of about 20,800 for "naw not really". (0.27 seconds)

genec

There is a dashed section about 6 bike lengths ahead of the cyclist, who is in the upper right section of the pic. At that point there is a condo or apartment complex that requires infrequent access. Otherwise what you see is solid bike lane from the foreground of the pic almost all the way to the top.

For HH in particular... note the density of the traffic approaching in the left lanes... note the lack of a real gap for which one may use the "powerweave." This is typical of traffic on this road... and in this case, while "rush hour," it is not the heavily used direction.

nova

Trust me you never know with some drivers. You don't think we are targets of driers. There are people out there who think its fun to run people down esp when they can make it seem like a accident. "but officer i never even seen him he just came out of no where"

I feel quite confident had i pulled around the bozo blocking the road (after he ran a stop sign) he would have hit me and it would not have been accidental. To him i was little more than a toy to play with. I doubt he would have hit me hard enough to do more than trash my bike and give me some bruises. But fact is it would have been done on purpose. His excuse would have been "he was riding with out watching where he was going" Or i turned left in front of him as i ran a stop sign. Interesting thing is i was on the road with out a stop sign he had one.

In the case yo mention no way of knowing for sure. Sure the driver might not have seen him or he may have and did it on purpose. You know if you want to murder some one and get away with it a car is your best weapon. You can claim all sorts of things they ran in to the street the sun was in my eyes they had on to dark of clothing at night and you didn't see them etc.

Helmet Head

Gene, can you post a higher res image? Nova, I assure you, there is no stripe, dashed or solid, down the middle of this bike lane. That would imply two-way bike lane traffic and would be insane on this 45 mph road (not to mention a gross violation of every standard/guidelines for bike lanes I've ever seen). What you're seeing is the edge of the gutter pan.


Do you just make this stuff up, or do you have an online source/reference for the spelling of nah to be acceptable as na? I checked m-w.com and dictionary.com and all I can find for na is Na, the symbol for sodium.

Anyway, the spelling of nah was never an issue in trying to understand your post. It was the missing words and the run-on sentences, plus the reference to this phantom striped line that made it so difficult to comprehend.

nova

Yeh even for me its hard to tell if its all dashed or just part. Theres just that hint there of a dashed line.

sbhikes

And where would old Helmet Head be riding in that picture? In the bike lane of course. Ignore him, everybody. He's nuts.

Helmet Head

Nova, with your "better than 20/20 vision", can you see the bike lane solid stripe, the bike lane, the gutter pan, the curb, and the sidewalk? Were you thinking the sidewalk was part of the bike lane and the gutter pan was a striped line separating the two halves???

Helmet Head

Gene, I've ridden here during afternoon rush hour. The picture was taken while a pack of cars released by the light at Governor was moving north. I wonder how long the gap is front of the first car in this pack? It looks long enough as it is...

genec

I cannot post a higher res image, as I borrowed this from a local newspaper article. The reality is that there are two lanes going in the direction shown that are auto travel lanes, with a dashed line in between. Then there is a solid bike lane for most of the distance shown (in the foreground the bike lane is actually shown... it is solid there) and in the background, at one point, the BL does dash just prior to a driveway into condos or apartments... this is about 6 lengths in front of the cyclist shown in the upper right of the pic. There is also sidewalk along the whole length. There is also a stoplight at the bottom of the hill with a walk path from either side of the road, but little reason to stop as a cyclist as the walk path is rarely used. The walk path feeds into the sidewalk and into a natural canyon.

EnigManiac

The arrows on BOTH sides of the road are very clear to me and I don't even have the best of vision. You simply choose to never see a bike lane because of your irrational opposition to them.

Why must you insist on spoiling for a fight yet again? Give it up already. We all know your game and have heard your rhetoric time and time again. Harping on about the spelling of 'nah' vs 'na' is simply juvenile and a waste of time. Please, stick to the issue or do everyone a favour and stop posting. It's tiresome and you're not winning any support by being so uni-directional and unyielding. Sheesh.

Helmet Head

What's an unnatural canyon?

genec

I suspect the gap between the lead car (not shown) and the next pack is very similar to the gap seen in this pic between the first cars shown. It looks like about 4 car lengths. This honestly is quite typical for "rush hour" as we discussed previously.... actually "rush hour" usually has gaps similar to that shown by the vehicles higher on the hill.

I recently drove your route to access my swim at the cove, and the distance between lights allows a much longer gap in that traffic flow, than that which usually occurs here.

genec

One filled with streets and housing.

Something of a misnomer here, as this canyon, which the locals are arguing is "natural," contains a railroad track and two dirt access roads... this something less than "natural," but far far less than "developed."

genec

I am not sure what you think you are seeing... but this is a 4 lane road with single bike lanes on either side that only go in the same direction of motor vehicle travel.

There are no two way bike lanes on this road.

There are bike lanes on either side of the road that go in either direction... corresponding with the motor vehicle traffic.

Helmet Head

WTF? Is everyone nuts today? I KNOW it's a bike lane. I ride on the pavement demarcated by that bike lane. I've said it's a bike lane. Why are you saying I don't see it???

My only beef is with Nova who continues to imagine a stripe down the middle of the bike lane. There is no stripe, solid or dashed, down the middle of this bike lane.

nova

Sure as hell looks like one right behind the riders wheels. A much lighter collar in the pavement near or in the center of the bike lane.

Helmet Head

Nova, you've got to take it easy with the 'shrooms.

The dashed section that Gene refers to is:

1) The outside stripe of the bike lane going from solid to striped, not a stripe DOWN THE MIDDLE OF THE BIKE LANE.
2) Contrary to what Gene said, it's way more than 6 bike lengths ahead of the cyclist visible in the bike lane on the right. In fact, it's up the hill around the bend and is beyond the edge of this photo!

Looney Tunes today!

Helmet Head

The cyclist shown on the right side moving away from us as we look at the photo is riding along the right edge of the bike lane, about 4' to the right of the solid bike lane stripe. Just to his right is a lighter colored gutter pan, probably a foot wide, then a curb, then a light colored sidewalk about 6" above the bike lane. The cyclist is riding along the left edge of the gutter pan.

What you think is a stripe is probably the gutter pan between the bike lane and the sidewalk.

nova

Possibly or it could just be light and shadow because of the time of day. Is There over head wires there by chance?

nova

HH read your damn priv message .....

genec

Guess I'll have to go out and photograph the thing myself... it is only one BL per side... and HH may be right... the dashed section may be further up than the pic shows.

However... the bottom line is that this illustrates what I consider a good BL situation... and for good reason. The motorists are kept out of the BL by only a stipe, and the cyclist has a good clear path to ride in during this stopped traffic situation that occurs daily.

Without the BL, there is no telling where traffic might bunch up and crowd into... as I also know of situations where motorists DO violate the BL and use it as a third lane. And along at least one of those routes I have also seen the local police work to keep the BL clear.

nova

Yeh i agree this is a great bike lane. If there was allot of intersections a WOL would make more sense and be more useful. Just by nature drivers and cyclists tend to put them selves in a lane position for turns far right to turn right and left of or center in the lane for strait. It also allows us to slide over to let the right turning motorist go on through when legal to do so. They will be far right for their turn we will be over to left for going strait.

randya

I would put the intersection at the traffic signal, not across the street from the cyclist. And if it's a high school, I would chalk the accident up to a young inexperienced, or improperly trained motorist, not to the presence of the bike lane.

Helmet Head

Maybe there are wires, but there is no shadow-from-a-wire that runs along the length of the bike lanes in this photo.

Look at it again, and you'll see, from left to right in the middle of the photo (note, the photo is looking south):
sidewalk, curb, gutter pan, n/b bike lane, bike lane stripe, #2 n/b traffic lane (this #2 lane is so wide the n/b bike lane puts cyclists way too far to the right in this section - I always ride at least a few feet to the left of the bike lane here), traffic lane dividing stripe, #1 n/b traffic lane, gutter pan, curb island with trees, curb, gutter pan, #1 s/b traffic lane, traffic lane dividing stripe, #2 s/b traffic lane, bike lane stripe, s/b bike lane, cyclist in the bike lane, gutter pan, curb, sidewalk.

Helmet Head

I did, Nova. So "Na" is old English.